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Just because something is internal doesn’t mean it’s your making. You might be identified with thoughts, the voice and the image, you identify as the thinker. But in the same way you are the breather, but you don’t control your breath as you go about your day, in same way you don’t control your thoughts when you go about your day. Stopping thought that arise with force is like a use of willpower. It’s possible to stop with will power, but the thoughts will keep arising with force over and over as long as you don’t resolve the deeper issue. Which is that your thoughts are arising secondary to your psyche, at the same time as your psyche contain your thoughts. You need to break down that aspect of your psyche related to the repetitive thoughts to stop them from arising, will power isn’t sustainable it’s a temporary solution for most. As long as the psyche is intact your thoughts will keep arising. By “your psyche” I also mean your sense of self It’s possible to overcome suffering even if not 100% your own making. So don’t be afraid of recognizing that

By dissolving the self

I can tell when my sense of self is still intact. But there have been moments when it has almost been absent. And it feels like you’re approaching a kind of nothingness. But it’s something you can’t really describe because it feels like the end of “something “. Then I wonder if there’s a different reality waiting on the other side of the self. If it would fully dissolve

I’ve heard similar stories. So far I’ve only been close to the emptiness rather than the full aliveness

How do you experience reality as full and alive rather than empty and lacking substance?

I have since many years ago seen how all suffering is internal Then wether internal automatically means “your own making” is what we’ve been discussing here and have some disagreements on I have been trying to relinquish resistance yes, I am open to the idea that a lot of our suffering is due to our resistance. It’s something I haven’t fully confirmed experientially though Has this realization about suffering being self generated helped you overcome suffering or is it more so an idea you hold? You don’t have to answer ofc. But I’m asking just out of curiosity . Because I have overcome significant mental suffering even without that idea (I think it’s partly self generated but not fully)

Yea….

There’s more than just a lack of acceptance standing in between me and god.

If I’d like to have a nice self image and I am identified with my looks I might go to the gym and improve my body. That is internal motivation. And that is survival and it comes with its fair share of suffering

My reaction too 🤣🤣

It’s just because the neurotic mind is quieter

I find to quiet mental chatter one needs to deliberately focus on a certain sense perception like the breath or an object in one’s vision

I feel no different drinking coffe . Maybe twice I’ve had trouble sleeping if I drank it late but most of the time even if I drink late I have no problem. I usually drink 1 cup a day so maybe it’s not enough. I don’t get it. Gonna ask AI about it

What is body consciousness? The majority of days I’m not suicidal btw

I second this. I had to literally dissolve layers to my psyche to overcome most mental suffering

I find myself to be quite present in the body

I did the exercise. I tend to at random moments consciously create a thought I recognize the persons involvement in thought. I just say it’s not the entire picture It’s the entire psyche and self (which might be a mental self image🤔) That is a reasonable suggestion and a piece to the puzzle. It’s just that in my experience, resolving issues takes more than simply choosing to not do. When I was socially anxious, the anxious thoughts had like a life of their own, they arose with force, to stop them for good required literally breaking down the aspect of the psyche associated with those thoughts (like the self image) ”Not doing” thoughts with such force sounds like using willpower. With enough willpower you can stop anything you do. But for most people using willpower won’t be enough to keep the same pattern from repeating itself, they will need a different process in addition It’s discussing our role in mental suffering You could also say “recognize where the thoughts are arising” . They have both the component of being generated by you, and arising from the psyche Not to repeat too much but you could also say “they aren’t arising anymore”. Because me being peaceful right now took years of process, breaking down the psyche . It’s more than just not doing If you don’t feel we are getting anywhere with this it’s ok you can end the discussion, we might just have very different experiences

Being scared of your idea of truth is not the same as being actually scared of truth It’s like fear of death, you don’t know what death is actually and you haven’t experienced it so any fear is just fear of some mental idea you have of it . It is something your brain cannot imagine so any imagination will be faulty and disconnected from the actuality

I don’t find the ideas do anything to the experience. It’s just describing I don’t know if you’re saying your mind is 100% your own making. In that case I would disagree It feels like we are the ones thinking, yet many thoughts happen automatically. In same way it feels we are the ones breathing, but breath happens automatically But any moment is opportunity to notice breath and stop it, same with thoughts. We can control breath in same way we can choose to think about something Thoughts often arise from the psyche and identity, which are connected. And those two form during younger years from several factors that are not all a choice of yours That recognition is not playing victim. It’s noticing how your mind functions We are involved in thinking, we engage thoughts, we help maintain attachment, we let thoughts come - but they have a certain life of their own, a force of their own, that’s why it’s so hard to stop them in meditation, and so hard to dissolve attachment It’s almost like you seem opposed to the idea that thoughts are not 100% your own making because you think that such a recognition would make it harder or even not possible to overcome your mental suffering then. But that’s not true, just because something arose by other factors than your choice, doesn’t mean it cannot be overcome. It’s like how you can cure a disease even if you didn’t create it Both

How is it formed and maintained if you don’t mind elaborating? I feel my mind images a self image kinda, and maybe the mind is produced by the brain

She got blasted into infinity and never came back

You just created an account to casually debunk the entire forum #epic

I wonder the same about myself too. I know I have a sense of self. But I don’t really know what kind of state of consciousness I am in , in comparison to others. Someone on Reddit said “enlightenment is this moment, without the doubt about it” So it seems if there is doubt, then one isn’t enlightened. But maybe there are degrees to it, different kinds of awakening

What do you guys think about cbd for mental and physical health etc? I have googled already and it says there’s benefits but not enough research to conclude it with absolute certainty

Jim Nooman lol It took several years. I don’t have the best memory but I went inward a lot, observed how my mind and identity worked. That’s like a foundation. Then I took action, facing my social fear by exposing myself to scary social situations. Because it’s like you have to face your dark parts of your psyche to be able to dissolve it/resolve it. So you have to seek out situations that trigger your fear in order to face it. But you can also face it alone because if you have a fear, it can be present even when you’re not directly in a scary situation Some contemplation too, about how my mind works. Some meditation, mostly to calm my anxiety down. So all of that made the negative self image dissolve. Then I just kinda became very authentic, because I stopped having insecurity, so it was no longer a matter of being attached to a nice self image, rather it’s just being myself authentically