Sugarcoat

don’t you enjoy your own presence ? dancing to music might help

And the point of this is ???

this post was mainly humorous for me. But I mean for what a lot of people here call “enlightenment “

i agree with this

I keep mentioning desire over and over again so you’re def onto something here

if you desire enlightenment - like you seem to do - doesn’t that mean that you sense there is something desirable about it to you? what is desirable about a “change in the context of existence”? it’s almost as if you are missing something to your definition of it. Isn’t the first step to getting what you want, knowing what you want? You say : “Nontheless, a clear and present state of mind is certainly mere conductive to awakening then being drunk for example.“ if you attain a clear and present state of mind - doesn’t any desire for something to come as a result of it disrupt this very state? It’s almost paradoxical then

People seem to experience that they can tho - that’s the part I’m trying to poke holes at here. I’m trying to say that you can seek anything but enlightenment , not that I know what it is, which is exactly my point, as anything we seek is something we have somewhat defined and thus ~know~ what it is You say : “It's just that most people don't because they are stuck tightly to the dream. They have survival needs and they only care about surviving in this dream as the self. “ Is it anything a self has ever done that isn’t exactly this? You seem to suggest most people are like this- and then there are a few of us that aren’t and thus are able to awaken. All selves ever only know dream and survival. A self cannot try to end itself as that’s just it trying to know the end of itself. It’s a desire for ~something ~ masquerading as desire for nothing. This kind of rhetoric evokes an attempt in people to try to end this “survival game”. But that is also the survival game. Trying to get out by the same means you are in it in the first place. How can I say this. I’m trying to communicate something. Basically. You won’t loose anything by engaging in this dream, because you’re already doing it and it is the only thing you can do.

I like that point

I love how you sat down and included a definition haha, but I know what it means. Not much time is needed on the internet to hear about it sorry for this wacky quoting I’m just struggling on my phone You said : ” I do sometimes get amusing responses, especially when I create more than two voices. Instead of being serious, they'll start taking cracks at each other. This generally only happens when the topic is non-critical, or when the discussion has dragged on a while without any results, which is also usually the point where more voices are brought in. I once had a voice that was jealous of the rest of me. I was literally jealous of myself. That's the kind of shenanigans my disintegrated mind can get up to.“ Hahahahahah our own minds can be the funniest shit I swear. Be careful who you tell this too tho, they might make a call to the psych ward. jealous of yourself? Ok ?? never heard of that before. You must have realized your own chadness or something what’s cool is also that all these different “personas” you could call them, they aren’t just “in your head”. One could learn how to communicate them outwardly into the outside world and express there. For example some of us might feel we are very funny and charming and “deep” in our heads but awkward and shallow in real life. But this “in your head” is in a way just as much you as you irl, and with time it can come to flow outwards. Like this convo we are having sharing our innermost worlds with each other and connecting ? even helping each other draw this inner energy outwards, or at least in my experience You said : ” It's totally a form of self-therapy. Every time I think of getting therapy, I try this technique out on my issue, and end up concluding that it wouldn't be worth paying and waiting for someone else to help me when I can get help for free and right now. I definitely do sometimes get clear answers, though as you mention, sometimes it's just a seed for future exploration.” hahah I see you are economical ? And yes totally there is value to it even if answers don’t come right away. The best answers sometimes comes unexpected. you said: “ That usually happens when I can't bring out the right voices. I can't embody a voice for a part of myself that has completely alienated itself, so at times like that I'll be stymied until I at least get some idea of what that alien would say in response to an inquiry. Then it's just about finding compassion for the little alien and bringing it into the fold with all the previously integrated parts of me. Everyone gets a seat at the table, and everyone has a voice. That's the rule.” really sounds like you’re growing yourself deeply that’s lovely to hear : ) you said: “ Which isn't to say that the rule has been without exception. I think there have been one or two instances of me finding foreign entities, not in any supernatural sense, but in the sense that once found, the only role they had was to be expelled. I don't remember the specifics, only that it was unusual to me at the time. I suspect they were voices unintentionally planted by unhealthy authority figures from my childhood.” I can relate in some way. Sometimes there can be voices expressing something and instantly we just see right through it as a completely unnecessary negativity and a pattern from the past, old trauma in the system; and this neutral attention to it , is what allows it to be expelled. “ However, that experience isn't on the same level of foreignness as you described. My voices never answer against my will or without my conscious direction. Though, I don't think that's what you're describing either. What you're describing sounds to me like a large-scale form of self-alienation, similar to what I mentioned but broader in scope. Integrating aliens is the trickiest part of the technique, because there's no set method for giving a voice to a part that has never before had a say. It's usually difficult to discern what the alien is doing, or what it wants. Even worse, some aliens are barely verbal, or communicate in images, or some other inconvenient nonsense.” maybe you are just more normal than me haha?. But you have a point, I don’t fully understand it myself. I swear what you’ve just written is more advanced than some forms of therapy . Who needs years of education when you have your own psyche to draw insight from. Thanks for sharing you said: “”It takes a while to process big things. My brain can be half-fried for a couple of days after a significant realization. I'll still be curious even if you take your time “” And how we understand our own experience and our past changes and evolves with time, so any old interpretations just get remodeled over and over, so it might not feel just right to express something when we feel we haven’t reached this proper understanding, because it’s so personal and real to us that we want to give it justice by properly describing it . “Half fried “ haha isn’t it lovely sometimes when things don’t make fully sense and we can just walk around like fools sometimes I’m equally as curious as you ?

All women know deep down that nothing they do or none of their qualities matter if they aren’t hot. Period . That’s it. That’s the post. they can either deny this fact or adapt somehow It’s so fucking existential for me. I have barely felt like I’ve existed for a second of my life , nor do I feel like I can own nor want to own my qualities because of this fact. Literally , literally, I have barely felt real because of this. yes I have had excellent grades all my life. Yes I’ve excelled at sports, during my teens I weight-lifted at a level that qualified me to compete at world class levels almost. Yes I can be incredibly intellectual and formulate myself well and for example in high school people could come up to me and compliment me for my speeches in class. Yes I can be socially charming, people can love my witty energy. I can be anything almost But you know what? not an inch of my being gives a flying fuck about these things, Because for this being, damn nothing hits like being schmexy . Why do I seriously feel like they world and my life could fall apart but if I was just hot then somehow I’d be doing okay anyways. I can be anything almost . BUT WHY IS IT SO FUCKING HARD TO BE HOT I know how hot I am in my energy and “soul” but it’s this fucking meat suit that isn’t expressing that, damn piece of flesh .I’m actually shocked by myself sometimes, how sexy and beautiful and charming and cool I can be in my “energy “ , BUT THIT FUCKING PIECE OF FLESH ISNT REFLECTING THATTTTT

Omfg. I just went into this section of the forum planning on writing a post asking people for their best music and your post was on the top , thanks I like this Moroccan song : Talet Lghiba

Path and practice only has value if you believe it has any connection whatsoever to “enlightenment “ but it doesn’t make sense to me, not even conceptually . if you claim enlightenment is nothing at all, it makes zero sense then to believe that anything could get you there but sure if you believe it has qualities to it like some ultra clear state or no thoughts state then sure it makes sense that practice and path could get there also: if you claim the importance of any sort of path or practice to get enlightened. Then you are essentially saying you know something about what enlightenment is because you are claiming you know what’s crucial to get there. If you know something about enlightenment then suddenly it has a quality to it and it is SOMETHING, contradicting if you believe it’s nothing at all i Don’t know shit I’m just saying some of y’all not making sense not even on a purely conceptual level .

Damn that’s cold hearted

U so silly

Okay you’re talking from your grave . Got it

Thank you for bringing positive light to my atrocious username (pls Leo let us change them)

Are you talking in your sleep rn

@Yimpa thank you for explaining it at my level

Okay so let’s break it down if it is true…:what is the harm? if it’s not true….was it even much of a spiritual path if it’s so fragile that it’s threatened by such a statement ??‍♀️

I was attracted to this post but damn that language is difficult

You get the message

Be so deeply unbothered by it that she cannot help but to turn it inward on herself

Thanks. I like this funny. I’ve naturally done that since a young age, didn’t know it had a name its a very safe way to experience some sexual energy , in solitude. It can feel very real

I agree with you. I understand all of what you said conceptually and I sense your sincerity and good intention. But I must say that since childhood I’ve experienced this very fundamental alienation from humanity, so in a way reading your post doesn’t resonate as I sense it coming from the very reality I’ve never felt deeply connected to (nor mourned this lack of connection) and when I was connected to it, it revealed itself to me as just a mental construction. something like that

That’s cool. And sounds a little funny too? I’ve also done that naturally. I sensed some similarity between us when I read some of your other responses so I’m not surprised. it’s like activate contemplation and acting like your own therapist and trying to trigger an answer by asking yourself these questions. Did you find answers? Sometimes I haven’t gotten clear answers to my questions although asking for them can plant a seed for it and has value despite. Do you always experience your voices as you?? Sometimes my mind can have a strong almost foreign presence to it….as if it’s outside of me… i will answer the rest of your response eventually. I’m just struggling to communicate properly my understanding of it so it will need some time to