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I see, so you mean that it’s not necessary to understand the reason, in order to deconstruct it? I could see that possibility Sense phenomena seems to mean different things. Internal vs external. I think going more inward is beneficial in trying to deconstruct or become aware of your limitations. If limitations cease then it’s the same as disidentification, I think

As a human we have this one identity which is with ourselves in our head/bodies. So yes I’ve been trying to understand how it works, why I identify as it. That is a step in itself, what does it have to do with identifying with everything? Well because in my experience the self is associated with suffering, and I’ve also experienced fluctuations in how real I feel, how strong my sense of self is. So when people say “you don’t exist”. I think maybe there is some truth to it, so I don’t think it’s bad idea to pursue the deconstruction of that sense of self. If you manage to reach a point of no identity. If you think about it, what’s the difference between identifying with nothing and everything ? Everything is unlimited (I think) so if you identity with infinity, then it’s same as nothing… Or?

That’s one way of defining. I meant more that there might be a reality, exactly how it is, but from my pov, I am experiencing a warped version of that reality (for example by feeling like I’m stuck to this body and the world is out there, or viewing someone through a lense of judgement) . So maybe there’s possibility of experiencing reality exactly how it is without this warping which I assume has to do with the self

I think it’s a mechanism, maybe of the brain, mind that creates this identity as ourselves and the body What I meant was, if someone gets enlightened and they no longer have identity with the body and self. Why would it be replaced with identity with everything, it’s extra step. Reality would just “be”. No identity

Reality just is, why it need identification, it sounds like some mechanism of action, or?

I see. Maybe reality is real but that there’s a dream quality to my specific pov of reality.

In the context of other healthy habits and I don’t think it’s big deal if you feel good physically. But it also depends on your standards, even if you don’t personally notice effect from certain additives, there can still be some effect that’s not optimal , so if you’re reallyyyy into the pursuit of optimal health then it could be better to switch depending on the rest of the ingredients (beans and lentils are good tho) But if you’re asking this question then I guess you’re not in the Bryan Johnson crowd 🤣

Many probably are. And I think some of it is deep attachment to this current life that sits at the root of it Dreams can be deep. I had a dream of being paralyzed and loosing all my sense perceptions but still being aware, that seemed scary to me

That is a very true possibility. I have had significant fears in my life, social, fear of bad reincarnations, fear of disease, but this version of death that is talked about as “nothing”, i don’t remember being scared of that idea becuase if you picture it, you might picture blackness, but then you imagine deep sleep, and you can’t, but you know it’s not scary to sleep, its nothing

Okay 😂😂

If you believe death to be like nothing, why would you be concerned about it? Are you concerned when you go to sleep that you’re gonna “disappear “ in deep sleep as in being unconscious ? If you are in deep sleep forever, there’s no you there to mind it. Any concern is just image in your mind, you’re fearing life! Because you’re fearing an image in your mind, your thoughts are form and you’re scared. (I don’t believe death is permanent deep sleep but plenty do, so that’s what I refer to)

Once Eckhart Tolle was asked about alcohols effect on consciousness he said something like “if your state of consciousness is affected by a few glasses of wine then there’s not much to it”. Basically saying that if your state of consciousness is high or stable or whatever, a bit of alcohol shouldn’t affect you or hurt your spiritual development . So it’s not that it increases it, just that if you start of with high consciousness (and i think mental stability also works this way) then it has less effect. From personal experience, even if I drink a lot, I never lose control and I’m aware of everything I say and do. It only dims my reality a bit, doesn’t bring anything up for me (that’s why I don’t crave it becuase I don’t get euphoric) Not saying I have high consciousness I’d rather say it’s consistency in my personality and not having much repressed tendencies that can come up when theres less inhibition. If alcohol is sedating or makes people obnoxious etc it’s odd that you in particular would feel more conscious on it. Also considering it’s a toxic substance.

Yea. I think the recommendations has some influences yes. And yea I drink it too in coffe only One reason may be that because it contains a lot of nutrients, it’s healthy in that aspect, and since it’s convenient (it’s one single food with plenty nutrients that many find appetizing, instead of being recommended to combine several plants to get the same nutrients) then they’re more likely to recommend it because in some way they’re trying to make it easily applicable to public But nutrient dense ofc doesn’t automatically mean healthiEST. For example full fat diary has quite a bit saturated fat, and they still recommend max 10% saturated fat a day. So it’s a little contradictory to recommend it so much. Some thoughts

I have heard that if every human on earth consumed daily animal products in the high quantity that a lot of people in the west do , even if it all was sustainably raised it wouldn’t be sustainable, cows etc need a lot of land to graze and food, and they still release methane. In smaller quantity I think it’s ok but not too much .

3 servings of full fat dairy a day is recommended LOL might as well buy a cow 😭 I think, if you are someone with decent health that feels good on Whole Foods, you aren’t sensitive to fiber or something, and you care about your imprint on this planet, It is responsible to also consider the environmental impact of what you consume. I think here in Sweden when you read dietary guidelines they also write about environmental impact which is good because it’s important. Also from what I’ve read for a while, lot of science says a diet that is mostly plants and less animal products is better for most people 🤔 so it’s a bit “hmmmm” seeing it shift in another direction, and makes one wonder what it’s all based on. But also ofc it’s important to make healthy foods in general more available and convenient because many people aren’t quite motivated to do better unfortunately

Stretching in combo with good body awareness is best. So you target exactly what you need the most. You feel in your body where is most tension, where are you most limited in movement. And you find the exact movement that give you most release Stretching overall is good ofc, but when its targeted then its even better. What I’ve done is just experiment for myself with different stretches and feeling into it. You could even invent movements you haven’t seen before

For me I feel the main factor is simply that if I feel discomfort in my body in the form of for example a lot of muscle tension, bloating or whatever, it takes some of my attention and it bothers me to certain degree, so I’m less able to enjoy and focus on what I’m doing.

Yea even if we’d say it’s not real, doesn’t make a difference to our current experience, our reality is this current limited experience , so in some way it seem to exist Do you think if all fear and need is gone then limits are gone too, why can we be in deeply calm state but still remain in this limited experience then? I have in my own experience felt how fear is correlated to a ”denser “ sense of self. But I also feel there’s component to it that’s just “there” kinda no matter how I feel Even if one hasn’t arrived at insight into nature of reality some of these ideas still make sense somehow . And even if it doesn’t it’s okay I’m not looking for a concept to satisfy me (I think 🤣)

Good news 👍🏻

I thought it was funny … yes I agree with you . Its almost an intuition, self recognize self, how we sometimes can sense if someone is speaking from a place of having a self like most of us or is genuinely speaking from “another place”(place of no place). Not that it’s necessarily important because I agree we should be concerned with ourselves first and foremost (in healthy way, I know what u meant originally, spiritually, ). But maybe if we can recognize clearly duality it’s a step towards recognizing non duality (now I’m just philosophizing) …

When you go to non dual therapist and you just leave with worse self esteem than you came

Shared dream as in the seeming reality we live in today where we live in same world?

The first part of the sentence is where I lean too in my view. I’m open to the idea that other type of form are related to self (like maybe the brain producing it). Partly because of my own inner experiences But isn’t there something untruthful about the self? You guys talk about non duality being truth so much, the average human walks around experiencing that they’re super real (meaning separate) isn’t it something illusory about it? It’s cool that you’re spiritual but still able to incorporate science concepts into it. I don’t see those things as completely contradictory either. Even if the experience of consciousness/self awareness seems so different from an object doesn’t mean it’s independent of it

Oh ok that was my guess.

When you say “you had multiple consciousnesses” you don’t mean a single person somehow having access to multiple consciousness but rather reality being expressed as multiple consciousness?