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I’m not fully sure about this but I would also say the sense of self is neurological in one aspect. And I’m guessing psychedelics through interaction in the brain can temporarily break down this neurological structure

One reason not to repeat myself that I can tell I’m not awakened is because there’s a significant difference between my everyday state and the “state” on 5 Meo dmt

I thought non duality was related with awakening. And limited related to the non awakened state. But okay I see

Agreed.

Ofc what you actually are is what you actually are. So in actuality this reality might be non dual. But still there’s a difference between perceiving yourself as limited vs when that limited perception is not there. Aka awakened

The seed is still only the seed, not the tree yet. You have the capacity to jump inside you, but you haven’t jumped yet. You have the capacity to awaken but you haven’t awakened yet, I would say.

We might inherently be non dual in the absolute sense but we perceive ourselves as limited humans so in that sense we aren’t awakened inherently . As we grow up our self concept forms and is the veil

I read your post. Isn’t it like saying you cannot become a policeman if you’re already not a policeman. Doesn’t make sense. You have the inherent capacity within you to learn to become a policeman as you said, but that’s not the same as already being one. You maybe have the inherent capacity to awaken but it doesn’t mean you’re already awake. I’m just pointing out your logic here.

Because I still have a sense of self and on 5 Meo dmt that partially/completely broke down so there’s a difference

No im not

I see your point

It’s a mystery to me, guess I will never know. Seems nobody can describe it either. Not that it’s important for me to know, just a thought that comes to me sometimes. I do wish I was like an average person sometimes.

Haha 😂 🤫

Ok hehe

I still don’t know if there is any correlation at all between practice and enlightenment. So hard to say what the pursuit does

Maybe it’s so

So intense😂

Ok I see.

I liked it. Although I’ve forgotten most of it

Sometimes maybe the pursuit is needed before a surrender happens who knows. Sometimes it may play itself out like that

It’s so hard to locate the “I” sense , yet somehow we feel we are here. If it feels better for you to deconstruct the desire to feel special then I’d say go for it. We can have such pressures on ourselves. What a struggle we are in while we apparently don’t even exist!

You’re speaking in the absolute sense so yes that’s the case there. Don’t know what else to add really, but there’s an apparent difference between self and no sense of self, not that one will not keep a kind of human ego , but something seemingly “drops”.

Okay I see. When I was in high school I went to this “rethoric” class where we held a bunch of speeches so we practiced that which is of your concern. Also do you mean when you speak in English or French or both? I don’t read books these days no

There was a period I watched quite a lot of non dual talk. I used to do meditation too and a little bit of other practice. But I don’t anymore. Nonetheless I still think if liberation is a desire, it’s a good idea to pursue it, like Leo says, regardless if the chance seems very small. Why not, can’t loose anything by trying. Maybe one day one realizes one doesn’t have to try at all, or something.

Exactly I agree. There’s a lot of tension all over associated with the self.