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There was a period I watched quite a lot of non dual talk. I used to do meditation too and a little bit of other practice. But I don’t anymore. Nonetheless I still think if liberation is a desire, it’s a good idea to pursue it, like Leo says, regardless if the chance seems very small. Why not, can’t loose anything by trying. Maybe one day one realizes one doesn’t have to try at all, or something.

Exactly I agree. There’s a lot of tension all over associated with the self.

It’s difficult for the mind to grasp this and formulate it well. Maybe in absolute sense there’s no difference between before the “drop” and after, as they say. But in some sense there is a difference between when the sense of self seems to be there vs not

I wonder if there is any correlation between spiritual practice and enlightenment (total drop of self). Some non dualists , like Jim Newman for example I think, says that nothing is correlated to the drop in self. That it’s hopeless. Some teachers preach about practice. I wonder what the truth is. For me im more in the hopeless view. For me I feel the self has such a life of its own. Can’t imagine what could possibly make it fall away. Seems like endless hours of practice and endless psychedelics would be needed. And even from that I’m not sure it would fall away

I see what you’re saying. I’ve experienced a thinning of the self too and yes it can be scary. But apparently it’s supposed to be the most beautiful thing ever, for it to drop completely

I can intuit that it’s true. But I haven’t “seen it for myself” because I still have a sense of self if that makes sense. I’m guessing it’s the same for you, that’s why those non dual talks resonate.

Agreed

I wish I could realize that.

I haven’t tried yet but I will soon

Maybe it’s like that absolutely but it stills feels as if there is someone. The best thing would be to realize there’s nobody ofc

There’s two ways to deal with this need to be special. Either you work on yourself and become special, or you accept mediocrity and settle for that. There’s also a difference between wanting to be special for yourself vs to appear special for the world.

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i can see your point. I still think there is such a thing as the average person, somehow. I think we can get the impression of someone being average while at the same time remaining open to change that upon knowing the person better. I haven’t written about all of my experiences here but if I did you’d understand that I’m not average (not in a good way), so you’d see where I’m coming from with this post. Once again it’s not important for me to know this, but it’s something that is sometimes on my mind, how the average experience is. I used the term average as a general thing.

Okay I think I can understand what you’re saying tnx

Ok I see

So the experience of self can fall away? And only existence remains, even if there already is only existence

i see your point

Impossible for the self to fall away?

I was thinking of his responses in general, and also took in consideration English isn’t his first language. I noticed the typos yes. I see room for improvement ofc, that’s why I gave him a tip.

I see.

I see. Then the question would be what is it that made the I appear that would have to disappear? Or maybe the I is an independent appearance/illusion that can go away on its own

@Schizophonia I think you formulate yourself well even if it’s hard to understand sometimes. But that’s usually if one isn’t into the subjects that you are into and doesn’t know much about them. For me personally though one thing that improved my writing (and speech too as a consequence) was reading (or listening) to texts/audio within the kind of subjects you are gonna talk about. So for example if you’re gonna write an essay then reading texts in essay form would help. Maybe this is too obvious hehe

I agree I think we might be in a hopeless situation maybe it’s impossible to get rid of the self because there’s nobody already and nobody do to anything. Some non dualists allude to this. At least for me I feel this self is kind of maintaining itself without my own will if that makes sense. How could you undo something you’re not even doing yourself? I can’t help but to feel I exist , can’t imagine anything beyond that, how could one undo that sense of I am? What would that even be? Like nothing at all, as you allude to

you have made thoughtful responses. I still stand by my claim though that I don’t have a role in it, despite how crazy or close minded it might sound . But I still try my best to deal with it regardless.

I’m familiar with people thinking along those lines at this point and it’s fine to me. I just don’t wanna go through this anymore that’s my only concern