Sugarcoat

I still don’t get it but never mind it’s not important

You mean you have knowledge about space beforehand thus making it known? You have a point but what if someone builds a room made out of an element you haven’t heard before and you go into that room😂okay this is just getting silly at this point😂

But what if you go into space or something

to know its new is because its something that’s not known

For me it was😂

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Wtf yimpa

What do you mean? Can’t we have completely new experiences?

Maybe it’s a question of how one defines awakening. During my everyday state i perceive myself as a limited human self. That I call the non awakened state. During 5 Meo that perception was partially/completely temporarily broken down, so it was almost like I didn’t exist. That’s not something I’ve “experienced” before so that’s why I said it’s not known. That I’m guessing is the awakened state. Im not fully sure though I’m open to changing my views but so far this makes sense to me.

Possibly

The “state” on 5 Meo is being contrasted against my everyday state. It’s not known

I can maybe see what you’re saying it’s the use of words at the end of the day that might differ

I’m not fully sure about this but I would also say the sense of self is neurological in one aspect. And I’m guessing psychedelics through interaction in the brain can temporarily break down this neurological structure

One reason not to repeat myself that I can tell I’m not awakened is because there’s a significant difference between my everyday state and the “state” on 5 Meo dmt

I thought non duality was related with awakening. And limited related to the non awakened state. But okay I see

Agreed.

Ofc what you actually are is what you actually are. So in actuality this reality might be non dual. But still there’s a difference between perceiving yourself as limited vs when that limited perception is not there. Aka awakened

The seed is still only the seed, not the tree yet. You have the capacity to jump inside you, but you haven’t jumped yet. You have the capacity to awaken but you haven’t awakened yet, I would say.

We might inherently be non dual in the absolute sense but we perceive ourselves as limited humans so in that sense we aren’t awakened inherently . As we grow up our self concept forms and is the veil

I read your post. Isn’t it like saying you cannot become a policeman if you’re already not a policeman. Doesn’t make sense. You have the inherent capacity within you to learn to become a policeman as you said, but that’s not the same as already being one. You maybe have the inherent capacity to awaken but it doesn’t mean you’re already awake. I’m just pointing out your logic here.

Because I still have a sense of self and on 5 Meo dmt that partially/completely broke down so there’s a difference

No im not

I see your point

It’s a mystery to me, guess I will never know. Seems nobody can describe it either. Not that it’s important for me to know, just a thought that comes to me sometimes. I do wish I was like an average person sometimes.

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