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I usually don’t see that much even if I open my eyes, but things in my environment can change shape, I can hear sounds like a voice or shouting. My environment tends to look very “murky”

Haha. It s good I’m not scared at all from it. That wouldn’t be so nice

I usually only eat meat on holidays or occasionally when my parents barbecue, then I eat the meat my parents buy which is usually conventionally raised. Other than that I eat chicken and eggs sometimes , also what my parents buy so it’s conventionally raised, but I have decided to eat more plant based this year. Hopefully I don’t sound like a hypocrite My goal this year is to eat more plant based. I’m still an omnivore so I eat animal products but I thought I’d limit chicken to maybe once a week, I’m gonna buy organic meat occasionally, then fish about once a week. Something like that

I understand that not everyone can afford grass finished products that’s why I think it’s okay they buy the conventionally raised. But those who can afford the grass finished I think it’s a good idea to buy it. But most importantly I think we should reduce our meat intake and switch to a more plant dominant diet, science says it’s optimal. And it does not have to be more expensive. Making organic options cheaper is a good idea to make more people buy it yes. I don’t know though if it’s possible to make it cheaper because there’s a reason it’s more expensive. But if you reduce animal products intake you could potentially I’m not sure because I haven’t calculated difference between a more plant based diet vs more animal based , but it could potentially be cheaper to eat more veggies, like legumes for example are cheap. And then you’d have more money left so the few times you eat meat you may afford the better organic options. But as I said I don’t know that for sure as I haven’t calculated the difference. I don’t think it’s a good idea to be angry and shame people who eat conventionally raised animal products that’s why, I said that I have an understanding of vegans who do that because of the tremendous suffering it causes animals. But I don’t believe it works to shame people into making change, so it’s generally not a good idea. Whether to trust the science or not I’m not fully sure. But I just said what the science said and that is that eating a more plant dominant diet is optimal.

I understand if everyone switched to grass finished animal products maybe it wouldn’t be sustainable either because you’d need a bunch of land for that. But that’s why I said it’s key for people to significantly reduce their meat intake and switch to a more plant based diet. And that doesn’t necessarily mean switching to heavily processed meat alternatives, one could eat legumes for example. If one can afford grass finished animal products I think it’s better to buy it, but if not then I understand one would buy conventionally raised.

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Good you found something that works for you

I don’t have a problem with meat eating per se. I have a problem with modern factory farming. That’s cruel and unsustainable. Science says a plant predominant diet is optimal, so we don’t need so much meat, just a little bit one can eat. And if eating it’s preferably grass finished and sustainably raised. That’s the ideal. So I understand vegans who shame meat eaters because many people eat too much meat and eat it conventionally raised in factory farms which isn’t good. I agree about not increasing the population. I’m open to insects etc too. But as I said one can lower meat intake and eat predominantly plants and eat sustainably raised meat, I think that could potentially be sustainable for a lot of people if not the whole planet somehow

Okay I understand your reason then. One has to foster the relationship one has, and if you would help them but they wouldn’t help you back then it’s maybe time to cut some people off, so it’s mutual

Maybe that’s the underlying reason but is that the conscious reason? Isn’t the conscious reason more something along the lines of feeling approved, loved, seen, included

@Javfly33 Ok i understand.

Yes exactly, if you eat healthy in general eating some junk sometimes won't affect you at least not in a way thats noticeable, also assuming you have a good foundation of health because if you have a sensitive system then yes maybe some junk could affect you but that isn't ideal. And yes differences are usually felt in the long run so if one would eat unhealthy for a long time things would start to feel different

Okay understood. So ideally you want your thoughts to originate from you? Or can't karmic be positive as in positive influence can come from the outside? Everything we pick up isn't bad. And its very difficult to have an original thought nowadays

Love can definitely make you happy. So it is for most as we are wired that way. It's just that that happiness isn't permanent, but that applies to pretty much all sources of happiness.

Some say the personality continues after enlightenment, but without the judgement, fear and other neurosis, those things unravel naturally. They say that the human still develops, so can be worked on. So an enlightened woman would probably have a pretty healthy emotional life as she is devoid of common neurosis. She would be feminine, social as women usually are but without the attachments to people or obsession about her looks. I would like to meet such a woman. Or even better, become one myself.

I wonder if everything exists. So every possible appearance. And I wonder if there is a conscious pov for every appearance. So no appearance existing independently of a conscious perceiver. Who could possibly answer that.

Is death and deep sleep like Mind imagining nothing?

What does karmic mean in this context?

For every person that shames there's another thats a fan. Not so complicated. Those who shame don't represent everyone

I wouldn't say it's wrong because I understand the vegan perspective and I think it can be reasonable to be angry about people contributing to the suffering of living beings. The thing is that it doesn't WORK most likely. If you shame a meat eater most likely they'll just dislike you and feel attacked and automatically get defensive, thats how the human mind works. Instead a more calm approach, presenting arguments without personal attacks, inviting people to learn, that's probably more efficient.

Openmindedness could potentially become a close minded mental position where you think being open to different perspectives and not having a firm opinion is automatically superior to having a firm opinion, so watch out for that tendency if you happen to have it. Openmindedness is a great quality, but you wanna be flexible with it, so it includes you having some firm opinions and being closed to certain perspectives (if you have a reason to ofc). Also if you have fears around expressing yourself socially it can hinder your free expression so you want to work to undo that fear, speak despite being afraid of judgement or something, challenge yourself through action by being firm in opinion, express yourself despite fear, and see how you feel. Start somewhere

Cool didn’t know . I’ll look that up

I don’t suggest anyone dismiss their emotions. That’s not a good idea. I just stated my question so op could investigate that for himself if he feels the need for others to care about him bothers him. Because it’s possible to not care about how others feel about you in general. Just a thought. I don’t think I’m too insensitive, I don’t mean to be

In my own experience of consuming porn in my past. I feel it gives you so much pleasure, but then what happens is that your brain gets bored of the same content and you don’t get that much pleasure from it anymore (it’s like how the dopamine centers work or something). So what happens is you need to change the content to gain pleasure. I don’t know how men function, maybe they can switch between different women and gain pleasure from the novelty of that. But what happened to me, and I know that I’m far from the only one, is that I needed more and more hardcore content to feel pleasure. So I (my dopamine centers or something) became desensitized to the normal content. So it can kinda ruin your healthy sexuality in that way. It’s always a risk. You can prevent this from happening by consuming the porn in moderation, although for me even if I consumed it moderately I still experienced this escalation so I don’t know if that would work. Doesn’t necessarily mean porn is bad, but it can give you too much dopamine and just fatigue your brain so you need more and more intense stuff

I don’t think it’s harsh. It’s normal to want people to care about you, but it’s a possibility to not care about it. I’m just allowing him to maybe investigate that reason. If it’s something that would bother him, if not then don’t.