Bobby_2021

I don't actually disagree with your statement. But it's incomplete. Most men are not drooling over some 35 year old pussy while a 23 year old pussy can leverage over most men. That's true. Nuance matters. 1. Basing woman's value on pussy & boobas is typical of red pill guys and somewhat disrespectful to women. So I was a bit surprised to see you base your arguments on a typical red pill talking point. Obviously every (real) woman has it and it's going to grow old and depreciate in value. So better have something else more valuable than her body parts. 2. Men have to work on a lot of tangible things both for short term and long term relationships. You have to be charming and attractive, develop social skills and make money, build a network, etc. All these things are expected of men by society. While women are under no pressure to develop these stuff. So whatever non-pussy leverage points (feel free to elaborate) you can come up with, from the average women, it's highly likely that average man has it more. This is especially true since most women never go for the average men as you mentioned. It's usually men who is better than her, so there isn't much she can contribute that he already hasn't. (Except for a big P). 3. Your initial point was that women divorce men since men don't contribute to anything in the relationship and that men are bad partners. But my point is that it's women don't contribute anything significant to the relationship, other than a pussy that deteriorates over time. A man's contribution in a functional relationship is far greater than that of a woman's. Just by getting into a relationship with him, she is indirectly stating that he is an above average man. She wouldn't obviously be with an average man for reasons stated above. If you ask me personally, I still think it's a man's fault that divorce happens. A man's contribution is not merely restricted to love, but an understanding of how women & relationships work. 60% of it is in picking a women who actually feels the need to contribute something tangible to the relationship and holding her to standards. A man already is of standard the moment she is in a relationship.

Stay strong comrade. ? Our revolution will be smooth and quick. Until then, stay low.

Lmao . Can't you think of anything but pussy and boobas ? ?? Think harder. It's like the bare minimum. Whatever, I have to appreciate the honesty for laying it out so cold. The fact is that most women don't have anything to contribute to relationships but pussy. There is no longer a social pressure for women to develop herself while men have to face monumental expectations from society. This is trying to escape reality by switching on a pragmatic approach. According to the current dating dynamics it is be okay for men to dumb 25 year old pussy for 20 year old pussy. Guess what? Pussy gets old. I guess you have no moral qualms when men go for younger, higher quality pussy, because apparently that's what gives women "leverage" over men. I get it. We are all supposed to wake up everyday play like kids singing ring o roses ring o roses while government acts as our big daddy welfare state.

What exactly does women contribute in progressive modern relationships?

How do you deal with things that trigger you? For a lot of time I used to expose myself to things that trigger me until I become sensitised to the trigger. For some reason I changed that strategy and stopped exposing myself to such experiences due to it's uncomfortable nature. I feel now that my earlier approach of exposing myself repeatedly to it was the better approach. I am not just talking about hardcore triggering material specially designed to trigger people. (Although I love to hear your opinion on that as well). I am talking about normal experiences in everyday life that triggers you? How do you approach your triggers? Thoughts?

@Emerald In the 1950s women were expected to be housewives being dependent on her husband for finances. Now that we have gone past that, what are the qualities a woman must have in the modern age to be in a functional relationship?

Is anyone here interested in discussing the content of the video posted by op? What do you think about it?

Important point. Going to save this. ?

It's so funny. Me: "I like a submissive feminine girl." People in this thread: "How dare you make women jump through hoops like a dog you disgusting misogynist patriarchal pig." Nuance left the chat.

Peterson has lost it. Better to not listen to him to preserve your sanity.

@Carl-Richard Listen mate, you don't have to ask questions if you are not serious about wanting the answer.

Thanks @Salvijus. I have noticed that protecting myself from normal triggers gives a level of comfort and you would want to protect your again by shielding yourself from even more triggers. Before you know it, you are in a bubble of delusion and grossly out of touch with reality.

@Leo Gura Some suggestions. 1. Show the list of accounts that got banned so that everyone knows exactly what kind of behaviour is to be avoided. Like a real example to show exactly what behaviour will not ve tolerated. 2. If some members is repeatedly getting in fights or heated arguments frequently with many different members, then it's clear who the problem is. Warn them with temporary restrictions and ban them is they continue such behaviour. The problem is that such behaviour also triggers immature tendencies in other people as well. Disagreements should be impersonal. Using this forum to attack other members is the most despicable behaviour and waste of resources. Also having truma from the past should not be an excuse for hostile behaviour. 3. Ending anonymity is a not going in a good direction. Anonymity is the only shield to force people to attack the ideas and not the messenger. Ideas should be discussed on it's own merits without assigning it the attributes of the one who holds them. Is attaching a face going to strengthen the quality or validity of the arguments/insights posted in here? No. Haven't people with faces behaved in retarded ways in the past? Yes. It seems like an unnecessary step given that you take steps to address and enforce all the other rules you mentioned. Those rules alone are good enough. Many of us do a great deal of censoring in the real world so as to not make any unnecessary enemies over some crappy ideas. I have seen how much people get emotional and hate over some irrelevant comment I put. And I will not risk getting death threats or some coworker threatening to report my posts, lose my job and get blacklisted. It's just needless drama. I will have to stop posting incase you enforce identification. It's not a difficult choice for me given the risk and how so little the reward is. I can talk my mind freely only if I am assured safety from attacks. Even by revealing the country I am from, people already make judgements like "oh so you are just blue & repressed" "muh evolve higher". Which is just downright silly. 4. Little bit of immaturity should be tolerated and allow them some space to grow and become teachable. It will also be a good experience for other members on how to deal with immaturity in others, empathise with them, and teach them. Extreme immaturity should not be tolerated at all costs.

It's counter intuitive. If you look forward to save every insights that happens then you are scaring the muse away. You can't even generate a lot of insights. When you are detached, they start revealing themselves more. That's the nature of insights.

Can you access alien intelligence in sober states? Atleast in some parts ?

@Carl-Richard "how so" what?

Dont be too eager to record all your insights. To be fair, most of them are trash, if you are really honest. Most of my insights I had from 5 years ago seems childish compared to what I have now. Insights are meant to be generated and lost. I use google keep, to store my insights. I periodically review them and put them to the trash once I have integrated them, in my free time. Being too eager to record them will also hamper your ability to generate them in future. Instead integrate and savour the insight while you have them. It serves as a foundation for better and grander ones in the future. Also, do you mind sharing them in future? @Sincerity

What are you even saying? Saying moderate feminist shit in alpha male™ podcasts would receive the same reaction. So what? What does this has to do the "the narrative"? Women are too picky to that she picks only shady characters to sleep with. They are more exciting, charming and make up for a great first impression.

Listen, no single person, entity, or group controls "the narrative". It's a messy mixture of all of those. Nowadays plenty of women have added their own narrative into the mix. Billionaires can exert more influence on the narrative a lot more for sure. There's that. But that's all.

Creatine. 3 grams/day.

Great video. The masculinity crisis gives no shit about the structural problems of the system. They are constantly looking for a scapegoat to offload their problems to. Discussing such complex structural problems should be work of the modern intellectuals of our time. But conservative intellectuals simply happen to be grifters and con artists who found another was to milk money from their followers. Most conservative dudes are not in a place where he can worry about the pitfalls in the global system when he can barely take care of himself and his family, not to mention the extreme pressure set on him by society.

Experience also makes for a better leader who can make better decisions regarding the future of the relationship. As a man, I should have some authority to dictate the general direction in which we take our relationship. It doesn't mean that I am going to be completely dismissive of her and make her jump through hoops just for self amusement. They are paid differently based on the complexity, skill, supply and demand of the work they are doing. In the same way men and women have different skill sets they bring into the relationship. If the reason for paying people differently is because inequality, then inequality is the best thing to happen in the world. Because treating everyone equally is the best way to crash the economy. lmao Will you claim that you are oppressed and exploited because you are not getting paid as much software engineers for flipping burgers or some shit? Your notions of equality are quite silly and dangerous, not merely unhealthy. False Equivalency. Relationships are an order of magnitude more complex systems than friendships. Friendships are much more fluid and there is not a lot of intimacy or interdependence as that of sexual relationships. Which is why people are able to manage friends more than they do with relationships. The analogy of corporate and employee is perfect. The corporations want submissive employees. Both of them get their needs met. She should ride along for the majority of decision I take. And my decision making in accordance with making the best of our relationship. And I am not saying this is the optimal way to run a relationship by any means. This is applicable to majority of the people in the world who come from less privileged backgrounds who has to worry a lot of things to get the relationships going. Obviously if you have plenty of money laying around and government take cares of your bills and college to some extent, then I too can appreciate this sort of hippy notions. I am from a third world country.

It is not. Then don't use other words please. You are using other words to add crap on top of what I said & I have nothing to do with it. If I used any adjectives, it was "mildly". But hey, you see what you want to see. It seems like you love being triggered by your own words projecting to me as if I have said it lol. Don't let me get in the way. I beg to differ. I assure you that I will not let a single need of my women go unmet. I will go above and beyond to make sure they are met. I am sorry for what you have gone through. And I hope you recover soon from that trauma. However your experiences are not the same for other women. Think of it like this: In a corporation different people have to do different work to make sure that it stays in business. For this purpose the employee has to obey the orders of their boss and finish the tasks they are assigned. Enforcing equality on this scenario as if everyone has to work on equal things is not the correct strategy. And yes, some employees are abused and exploited in the work place. This is not the scenario for majority of the employees. Not everyone grew up in privileged environments that you could entertain liberal notions like equality in relationships. Such are merely out of touch luxury beliefs. You past experiences have severely biased your views of men, in general. A leader is in a position of power that he can choose to abuse his followers if he chooses to. But a honorable man will not. Which is why I often warn women to not submit to every other man they see and to exercise a consequence approach to dating. They call me too controlling for saying it and then end up assholes who abuse her. This distorts your perception of men. If you want men to treat women as equals, then women must also treat men as equals. This almost never happens. Women always prefer want a strong man who is better than her in whatever metrics she is interested in, whether be it experience, decisiveness, money, IQ etc. Women will say they prefer older men. When I say they prefer younger women, suddenly everyone looks at me like I am hitler, even though what I said is exactly as same as the women said, from my perspective.

Your suffering is God's guilty pleasure.