Bobby_2021

The collective development of a society depends upon the circumstances that the they found themselves in. Not necessarily because they were highly developed to begin with. Likewise, Utopias you dream of, do not happen because of "higher development" of the people. These hippies do nothing to push society forward, and hence they are not really the bleeding edge liberals they think they are. Leftist hippies are quite underdeveloped compared to many orange capitalists. It's a complicated topic that needs some uncovering on the systemic skipped & stunted development of the hippies. Utopias happen due to the grinding work of the capitalists and the so called right wing conservatives and the slave labour they employ. But you think they are underdeveloped and that's blatantly wrong. ----------- Also the discussion is to find out who are the conservatives and who are the Liberals since people can speak of anything they want. That doesn't mean anything to their status of development. You should look at what they are *doing* to assess their development. This thread doesn't even touch that kind of depth of assessment.

This maneuver took 500 years.

@EdgeGod900 haha got it. What you think about work and what you might end up actually doing may be a lot different. So be sure that social work is indeed in alignment with your values. So obviously you have to go do it for a year or two to make sure it is in alignment with your values or not. These think tanks usually are propaganda machines of their donors. Does it always have to be the case? Nope. But it is the case a lot of times. They may not be interested in orchestrating systemic changes to societies. They are also in the business of survival and that corrupts their work as well. At the end of the day, your plan in the micro domain also matters in the long run. I am not pushing anything but I just wanted to make the options out there for him. Sorry if I came across otherwise.

Just do it already.

@Nivsch There are several reportings from reputed agencies like BBC that says that the IDF has been blocking food trucks from entering Gaza. Seems trustable. Israel has nothing to gain from them starving or not starving. But having killed 2 million people will stay with them forever if that's what this is going to end in. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68478831 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68486248

Hey man do you like coding? I recently discovered the rust programming language and I love it. Something tells me that you might like it. Because it's pretty intellectually stimulating, atleast for me. It won't be easy but it's possible to get jobs with some effort. Have you joined college already?

All of that is true, but they should just allow a bunch of food trucks to pass through. That's no big deal I suppose. I always defended Israel's decision to attack and kill terrorists, even when it comes at significant collateral damage and civilian casualties. But you can't starve those 2 million people to death. This is starting to look like a real genocide, if they are being starving to death. This will never look good on Israel.

The job market is wrecked at the moment. It's not your fault. Going to do masters may not be the best idea. Degrees do not matter as much as they used to. You have to earn name by doing free work of some kind. This is the only solution for the moment that you could do.

Never ask a German company what they did between 1925 and 1945.😅

This conversation is heavily skewed into favouring left wing as if everything lower down the spiral is inherently right wing. You cannot create wealth and freedom with Egalitarianism. You cannot create a left wing utopia and still have egalitarianism and equality. Utopias are created by capitalism. Slavery was required to build walls which created a small utopia at the time. You cannot have freedom(liberalism), equality(Egalitarianism) and wealth(Capitalism). You can pick 2 at best, if that's even possible at all. You cannot create AI without massive exploitation and crony capitalism. If you want massive wealth, you need hierarchies & crony capitalism. We do not have enough Capitalism in the world today. Capitalism and hierarchies has contributed more to the "utopian" vision than egalitarianism ever did and will ever do. Yes, they want to accumulate massive wealth for themselves, but they are also bringing massive wealth into the economy. The most egalitarian societies are built under slavery, oppression and sterilization of minorities and weak people and they also managed to whitewash their history.

Let's be real. You wouldn't let her do that and rightly so. It's okay to not give up to the angry leftists and have strong family values. The propensity for women to get fucked over is not little. You can let her learn her lessons and grow. But I would rather not have her go through all that.

You are not allowed criticize Islam like you do with others. Although there are many countries that ban it.

@Danioover9000 Your posts are something that I can't be sure if your ghost friend is posting on behalf of you.

What I got from this discussion is: Going by structural peculiarities 80% of the world is right wing and the remaining left ones will barely ever get to power, or even worse become right wing in the process. Basically completely disregard their flag or what they speak.

The most egalitarian countries of today, the Scandinavian countries went through Nazi style sterilization in the 20th centuries aimed at minorities, mixed race and women. There are archeological evidence to suggest that they went through ethnic cleansing as early as 1000 AD. That might have contributed to their enthic homogeneity and the subsequent egalitarianism. They had a similar goal as that of Hitler. Now they are ethnically homogeneous and pretty egalitarian. I am not endorsing it, but this could have been very well the result of Nazi Germany had they won the war.

Basically all of establishment democrats are right wing then. Yeah I can agree with all this but this is just making it too convenient to change the goal posts as necessary. I don't think right wing leaders use force as you make it out to be. They have their own agenda like leftists. Just because they don't use force doesn't mean that's they don't do shady stuff either.

Hitler wanted to create an ethnically homogeneous society. One where races he deemed as inferior didn't exist. An ethnically homogeneous is quite egalitarian, void of any hierarchies whatsoever. You need many different groups in the first place to form hierarchies. Hitler wanted to eliminate such hierarchies. Conservatives love of a strong leader cannot be likened to their love of hierarchies. Conservatives love hierarchies for sure. But that's not what hitler had in mind. It was a quite egalitarian society. It's quite hard for an ethnically heterogeneous society to be egalitarian.

Dear Leo, let me tell you something. Every single leader in this world resorts to criminal domination to hold on to power. It's simply what demands of that position. It's not because the country as a whole are underdeveloped. It's usually underdeveloped people who are fanatics of power in almost every country. As a matter of fact, it's said that you can't make $10m dollars without making enemies or having to kill people simply because there are people willing to die and kill for such positions. Maybe that number could be $50m or $100m don't know how much this is true, but you get the point. The stakes are even high in powerful political positions. And this is very intellectually dishonest definitions. You are claiming that every leftist leader who does criminal shit under the hood is right wing, because it is right wing behaviour to do criminal shit. Tf?? This is like saying Bernie Sanders is left wing but only until you find bodies in his house. But when you finally see that he did some shady shit, you simply shift your stance to say that he was right wing after all. This is sneaky play with definitions. You define left wing as objectively good and right wing as bad. I can see through it. It's not so hard. Give me one condition when leftists can do bad stuff. Atleast in theory.

Nice joke. You are telling me a that a country like Russia ignored all their communist left wing history to elect a right wing leader. That's the most progressive and bold move you can think of. They are not interested in conserving their past it seems since they changed their entire politics from far left to far right. So either they are not conservative right wing, or they don't have a communist left wing past they need to preserve. Your logic eats itself. Are going to admit that Russia had a right wing past? Because conservatives has to conserve the past. That's the essence of conservatism. Big surprise, left wing can also be conservative. It's human nature to want to conserve the past. Which is why I say that conservatism/liberalism isn't a left or right thing.

Putin and Kim Jong are nationalists. So are they right wing?

You know how leftists won the propaganda war when terms like fascism apply exclusively to the right wing. Countries like China, Russia, North Korea are ruled by left wing ideology but they are not fascists. Lmao. There isn't just enough terms to articulate left wing dogma/cruelty. Right need to find new words.

We used to have just one Israel Gaza thread, now we have 4.

Perplexity AI, not sure what's the exact model, has this to say. Just that it aligns with conservative values and visions.

Leo often say to choose a career path that aligns with your values, and not doing so can be detrimental to your well being in the long term. For me coding felt like a drag on my soul throughout my career. I even felt like coding was not for me even though I excelled in CS & Math at school. I really felt something was deeply wrong with me that I can't code. I knew something was really off. I even had to try some different career paths only to fail in them as well. But now I have found a language that aligns with my values and that is Rust. It's almost like I can meditate or listen to music while I write code in Rust. Rust was the language I was looking for. It perfectly aligns with my values. Rust is also the most loved programming languages as per leading survey consecutively for years. Rust gives you low level control and superior understanding of what is actually happening under the hood and I just love it. It bugs me to death when I can't understand what a line of code is doing when I read it. But Rust teaches you all that. The code is safe and secure from memory vulnerabilities. For me Languages like Javascript are outdated and there are things in the language that are totally ridiculous beyond comprehension. It's stuff built in the freaking mid 90s and we are still clinging on to it because "reasons". Mostly money. But not for me. Rust can do everything. It's rapidly growing. The job possibilities in Rust are not the greatest, but it will certainly grow in the future. There are many people with a programming background on this fourm, so I thought it would be cool to share this and know what you think of Rust. It's like finally finding what I was looking for the whole time. I simply can't love Rust enough.