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@Emerald Thank you, i think you hit in on the nail with your three option deal. I choose the third option. Now would you please leave us alone. As far as Ethno state, ok, when you have 21 Arab Nationalist States and when you have 56 Muslim States and you have Christian States as well as democratic states and all types of States, it would be fair to have one Jewish State, i am not asking for 5 or 10, just one. And when you convert all other states into pure democratic non binary states then we can speak of Jewish state, but until then, no thanks. This is a core of our argument, everything else, is very surface secondary. I hope I made it very clear and what we want. I dont think it can be any more clear, but feel free to ask me more questions, i am very honest person and I am not one of those people who say one thing, thinks something else and does third. I am very blunt and straight to the point person.

That’s very deep @Bobby_2021and very true if you think in meta terms. I really think as long as you have humanity you will always have conflicts. Try to contemplate on this idea, imagine a world without conflicts, I don’t honk such can exist in the world of duality. Can we have a movie without any conflict, without any challenges. For protagonist to exist you need to have antagonist. Otherwise it will be a very boring reality to live in, think about that. It’s like we need conflict to even exist. Try to write a novel without a conflict or a scene, on one hand, don’t you want everything perfect, say describing a love couple who have perfect relationship and nothing happens to them, and they have no challenges? Or such scenario cannot even exist, note that.

You want to hear real Rabbi speaks on Judaism and Zionism, then hear this and let me know what you think and your opinion.

Thank you @AerisVahnEphelia if you would not volunteer to say what you did, I would actually pay you to say what you did. To all, see this is perfect example to what happens to those who run out of arguments. I think it’s beautiful what she said to say the least. This is foundation of our consciousness. Now let’s pick up from here.

@Lila9 I am laughing my ass out loud. Anyways my point exactly. See you know the truth and those who should know the truth. Try to explain to an antisemite this. They won’t listen anyways. You know I always wonder what would happen if Emperor Hadrian would never rename Judea to Palestine and on all political maps there would be Judea and throughout centuries it would be Judea and so on, today we would be fighting with Judean terrorists and everyone on this forum would be accusing us of hating people of Judea. It would be Israel vs Judea. But what about Palestinian names of cities like Nabulus? That’s a good one? Well the city is called Schehem, it’s in a Bible. The Romans rename most of the cities and they always assigned their favorite city Naples to every place they conquered. In Latin Naples is called Napulus, the Arab language does not have soft P in the middle so it became Nabulus. So if anyone should have claims to that city, it should be Italians.

@Emerald I am not here to convince you but I will answer this for other people who are unsure on this forum since your mind is set. This is not a war against Hamas, it’s just a small terror cell and nothing else of it, this is a Jewish Arab war, we are fighting against the Arabs. You as a west fail or refuse to u understand the conflict. The Arabs view entire Israel as a settlement, the view Tel Avi, and Haifa and Beer Sheba as occupied territory. I understand that and I respect that. I understand the Arabs, the Arabs understand me, either of us can understand you. It’s an ideological warfare and it’s war against ethnicities. That’s why USA understands and does not cal it war crime. Because the war is fought against people, it’s the people who elect leadership. Today they are Hamas, tomorrow they are someone else, it’s all semantics. You don’t seem to get it, it’s one land for one people, it’s either one or the other, there is no such thing as two. One nation needs to leave its plain and simple. The problem is we have no where to go, Arabs have 21 more states to go, they have plenty of uninhabited land, until that happens you will have blood shed on both sides. But my words fall on deaf years, seems the prophecy in the Bible was right, I guess those prophets knew all along what will happen, I used to laugh at biblical prophets back then, but oh boy, they are so right, thank God, we will have a happy ending after all.

Lol, really when there was an opportunity to leave Arab countries the Jews left and most were also expelled, “ In 1945, there were approximately 866,000 Jews living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 10,000. In many Arab states, once thriving Jewish communities have all but disappeared. According to official statistics, 856,000 Jews, persecuted and under duress, were exiled from their homes in Arab countries between 1948 and the early 1970s leaving behind substantial property and other assets.” https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/focus-areas/jews-from-arab-lands Listen there is a small group of so called Orthodox Jews of about 30 people who are on the payroll of PLO and they are their spokespeople. Yes they are welcome to any Arab country but rest assured 99% or more of Jews are not welcome. And most do not represent that point of view.

@Lila9 I will make it simple and plain. Palestine as a nation or a country never existed, it was only created to eliminate the state of Israel, that’s their only function. See simple question a Japanese poet Yashiko Sagamori asks simple questions if Palestine ever existed and none can be answer, even here on this forum. https://www.ctjc.org.uk/bulletin/march-2009-bulletin-articles/a-japanese-academic-s-view-of-the-palestinians I want to quote to you one Palestinian politician Zeheir Mohsen, In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen https://creationwiki.org/Palestine Anyways they are Arabs, part of the Arab Nation and God bless them elsewhere. I wish them to peacefully and happily join their Arab brethren in 21 other Arab states and live happily ever after.

Thank you for at least admitting your fault. But you are right this is a human thing, it was, it is and it will always be. That’s basically God fighting with Himself, otherwise would be a boring case scenario to live. Thank about watching a movie without any actions, it would be simply boring. Those with low conscious will not understand me and will criticize but this is the reality of this life. Don’t worry man, just sit back and enjoy the show. That’s all what it is at the end of the day.

When you are on 5 MEO, a drop of a nuke, a kiss from a hot chick, a slash to the throat, or a boring lecturer, is all the same singularity. Its just is. See how deep it is. @all on this thread, seriously all conversations I think hit dead end, everyone is stuck on their own biases and thats ok, we all have the right to our own bias, but further conversations are not reproductive. Lets get meta, lets get deep into consciousness. What do you think of my first line.

See thats what i love, now we are agreeing on something. So its not that bad the ww3, you get bliss for eternity. You think experiencing something on 5 MEO for 20 min is great, tryt it for eternity, you will go ballistic.

I don't think there even be historians after WW3. We will all be in Heaven (Hell for some, or should I say most) enjoying our eternity, tripping endlessly in a state of never ending bliss. Lol

@Lila9 There is no point of arguing, they keep stuck on the same thing that we Jews have no right to exist. Just move on. You will not convince them no matter what arguments you will make, it will be only a waste of your time. In the meantime, I am thanking God for giving us advanced technology so we can go and finish the job once and for all. And to all haters, you can argue and speak and debate and cry and scream as much as you want, I hope you do realize that we are not taking your opinion, i am sure you are smarter than that. But its ok, this topic grows to over 3k posts and you can expand to 6k and even 9k and so on and so forth.

Thats a very silly solution, you think you can disarm, Iran and Hezbollah and even Iraq? Because then those countries will complain why does Europe gets to keep weapons. When swords will be turned into plows will be after Messaih coming, before that will be wishful thinking.

See to @zazen Hamas is not Isis and I will be using all @zazen of the world as a conceptual person. The answer is very simple, ISIS is danger to all nations and his survival instinct kicked in, while Hamas only hates Jews, so the enemy of my enemy can be my friend. Jordan Peterson said the same thing recently on Pierce Morgan show.

@zazen You know I give you that. I really think that it has to do with prophecy and end of times and you caught it very well. But do you think prophecy is total BS? So let me ask you in this case scenario, lets say things will go south so bad, that nuclear weapons wil be sued and 7/8 of the world will be gone (by the way in the bible it says only 1/8 of the world will survive the final war), so then will you take the bible seriously or its all coincidence? I am not asking this from religious perspective, but note how long ago the bible was written and yet how accurate it describes, I was fascinating reading the chapter with the war of Gog and Magog written thousand years ago, speaking of a great country in the west colliding with the country Persia (Iran) and its allies, it speaks of war of massive proportions where the dust will cover the sun. Do you really think that all those prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Zachariah and so much more were just bullshitters? Or they were able to foresee something. If you made this scenario even two hundred years ago, it would have been a fairy tale. This is something I am asking myself actually, are all those prophecies pure bullshit, or those people were able to forsee something. Honestly at this point I do not have answer, but to say its pure BS, I am not ready to say neither. A food for thought.

Also what I heard is that LSD is very hard to find these days and people are using alternatives. I heard that from actually numbered if reputable sources. The main in is NBOMe which is psychedelic but has side effects to mouth clutching. There are others out there which have some sort of lysergic acid mixed with bromine but it is not LSD.

Thank you @Breakingthewall so you can see that there is certain mysticism that we cannot brush off. I will give you a very good personal example, my grandma of blessed memory was born in 1926 and she was a hardcore atheist. But she recalled me a story when I was a kid that she always laughed at Bible saying how can the final war happen over Jerusalem. Now mind you when she was born, Jerusalem was desolate place to most of it, and to think at that time that the world will collide over it was humorous to say the least. Now back to our present time, I personally would not be surprised if the WW3 started precisely over Jerusalem and we are speaking only of a two generation gap. To answer your other question of how did we kept preservation it’s relatively interesting. No the religion is not based on racism. See a racist is someone who says I am better than you and there is nothing you can do to be like me. In our religion anyone can convert and they will be as equal Jew as I am. Now when it comes to marriage, the only reason we select someone of the same faith is to raise children, nothing more. Indeed as with every community, there are individuals who do use racist card but that will not work on someone who is not racist and that argument will fail. The only argument we are using is that of how will you raise your kids, especially given hundred years back and more, religion was a big factor and you would agree people with different beliefs would have issues in the house. I mean even now, I don’t know say if couple can exist now if one of them is hardcore republican and the other is democrat. Of course if people try everything can work, but that is ideal, but in reality, given stress, work, problems, health, friends and etc, person can quickly get to primitive level and the argument can break off. But for sure, our religion does not work on creed or color or race, that’s a big no no.

@OBEler What truth, that Jews are disgusting? That’s your entire argument. That’s blatant racism, honestly you are a low life individual whoever you are! God help you.

I don’t actually agree with you on that point. I am not saying that you are wrong but I think both religion and spiral dynamics can play a role here. This is something I have been contemplating myself a lot. I don’t think you can brush religion to the side, there is definitely something more profound and more Holly way beyond words. Of course I can only speak of my religion since I know it well. If you describe the BS in your post then you are right it does not matter what religion and if there was no religion X it would be religion Y or even Z. But how do you answer about prophesies, can you just brush them off. Prophet Isaiah and Jeremiah and Zachariah all said that Jews will be expelled from the Holly Land and in few millennia will return back. Look for two thousand years we didn’t have home and lived as minority among majority. All nations who didn’t have home were gone, such as Adumenians, Moabites, Babylonias, Assyrians, Syrians (ok you may have about 100 people theee and don’t confuse mark with Arabs), Mesopotamians, Egyptians (you may have 200 left at best, don’t confuse with Coptics) and especially Romans. Technically we were suppose to be extinct living two thousand years all over the world but yet we came strong and have a very powerful army now. Indeed everything that is happening is described in prophecy, like the final over over Jerusalem with Gog and Magog, where the western civilization will collide with the Eastern and the dust shall covert the clouds, sounds like a nuclear explosion to me. And to dismiss such? I am not sure you can do that. But I find it a blend of mixing spiral dynamics and a Prophecy.

Really? The US only went to war in 1944 technically after Pearl Harbor. And other nations, they could have bombed the railroads carrying innocent people to the death camps. Look I get it, you are not found of Jews and thats fine and I respect that, but then don't tell me that I have no right to defend my homeland.

If that is the case then I am ok to remain that child. You know dear world, you were standing idly during the Holocaust, you didnt protest the injustices that were happening for four years where we went like sheeps to the slaughter house, and you were quiet when Israel faced destruction in 48, 67 and 73. I know you would build us monuments and museums for Holocaust, but no thanks. Here is a Jew who wants to live and its so much better to live than to die and oh boy its so much better to win than to loose. First let all nations take moral grounds and then we can speak about us having one.

Thats fine, its a chance we are willing to take. And this phrase should say it all, "I would rather have strong Israel hated by the entire world, than Auschwitz that would be loved by"

You are going deeper into the topic. We are speaking now of collective. Yes there were many individuals who did witnessed the Oneness or whatever you call it, but on the collective level they were still in barbaric mode over three thousand years ago. I keep explaining the answer but somehow either people don't understand or don't want to understand.

Thats debatable, Christians and Muslims follow the Jewish Bible as far as I recall. But again, i am not here to say that I am better than you, this is not my argument nor its what I have in mind. All vi am saying is that we discovered One God first, thats all, and we found it to be our mission to distribute world wide.