Being Frank Yang

This is also true. All experiences after Realizing of Anatta are simply by products. The REalization itself is not an experience. You cannot locate the "I" at all. No source. No center. Before Realization is stabilized and before center is completely dissolved getting lost in the experiences can bring out more ego conditionings. As I've said many times before, having jhanic experiences and psychedelic trips while you still have a center is possible but if you play with sensations too much or is too attached to "Godmind", it'll get you stuck. All experiences such as Strange loops, micro and macro levels, Pure Consciousness/Awareness etc comes naturally after you Realize No-Self. IN fact they can only be manifested purely with No self, and by the time you stabilized Anatta experiences don't matter anymore.

Yes thank you for sharing. This is pretty much my moment to moment experience since Awakening after the knot of perception is untied. I've used this very same gif in various formats and variations in many of my videos and IG posts to illustrate Infinity/Emptiness/Form/Reality. I think the biggest difference between us is the emphasize on having this shift permanently through meditation and self inquiry but also not dismissing the use of psychedelics.

anyone know how to embed and post a YT video ? haha

I love Adyashanti, I think his Realization is deeper than 99 percent of mainstream teachers in the spiritual market place. If you look at his awakening experiences he describes experiencing both Big Bangs (Infinity) and Big Crunches (Nothingness) and anything freaky and fucked up in between. The most extraordinary thing is how ordinary he is. One of the only beings who talk about transcending even the entire paradigm of spirituality to become an Absolute NOrmie.

Love = Life = Death = Truth = Reality = God. It has nothing to do with human emotions. It's what's left after the separate self is dissolved. Any spec of self will be conditioned. It's a "cold love", independent of any conditions, transcending even the need to be a compassionate Being. But every action will be compassionate when the separation is dissolved. It's when you dissolve the desire to help yourself or others that Love arise. The whole path of spirituality can be summed up as loving yourself so throughly that you die into the present moment so completely that you manifest all of Reality without any personal feels (but it also includes personal feels, although personally I haven't felt an "emotion" for months")

Like what I posted to Leo, the combination of everything...Vipassana, self inquiry, Dozgchen, psychedelics, yoga and even other more unconventional methods like breathing, weightlifting, writing, making videos, even doing pick ups, everything you've ever done in your life contributes to awakening I think this is what me and Leo have in common, neither of us stick to one particular method or path, Guerrilla path it is lol but for some people sticking to only one method works better so you just gotta see what works for ya

ahah it is good to be here

At the end what we're talking about is the distinction between Love and Death, emptiness and form. Interesting there is a difference "vibe" to people who's Realizations are leaned towards one side vs another. Some Realized beings seem more "dead" than others, some are more fluid and bouncy, and are oozing out Love. The ones who have both have the reflexivity to shift back and forth between extremes. THis is rare. Perhaps most people simply have not taken their particular method to the very end point, so the circuit does not complete itself. All dots need to be connected to any other point, and all points penetrate themselves through and through. This was exactly what was experienced during my moment of awakening.

I do not disagree with this. If all you do is Vipassana without any other practices this can indeed be a trap. This is why I look at Vipassana as only one of many methods, but the same could be true if you only apply the "Unified Mind" methods without seeing the nature of sensations. The reason why I dissect the thing from the Vipassana/sensation is because most of the people on this board are already very familiar with the other side of the coin. During my big bang Realization/Kundalini Awakenings etc, there is WAY more similarity to my psychedelic trips than the insights and experiences i got from just dissecting sensations, which is the result of the combination of self inquiry, vipassana, psychedelics over the last 7 years. If you were to put a neutral frank yang inside my 5meo breakthroughs vs the Big Bang event, he would think he was tripping on 5meo DMT or a heroic dose of acid instead of gotten to that space through Vipassana alone. The Realization of Infinity does seem to be missing in many Vipasanna practitioners, who rarely speak about the holistic and Cosmic experiences and Realizations of "Strange Loops/Universe Eating Itself/Cosmic Bliss", etc and are heavily more on the dry, "No-Mind/Emptiness" side of things. Most Realized beings are lean towards one side of the equation, very few are totally unified in Infinity and Nothingness. My argument here is that if you take just one side to the extreme you'll loop back on the other side. So the most effective approach is to slice the cat from all angles.

So wtf is the "Natural State"? It's simply a state of total equanimity where all sensations simply arise as they are without any one cluster "taking credit" and becoming "more solidified" or "Absolute" than another. That's it ! And my definition the Natural State does not exclude any states, you're simply not identified with any of it because there is no "center" or "subject" to "own" any level of sensations.

All this is too theoretical. see above post

I think the most direct and clearest way to put all those different stages of development and labels under context is the direct Realization on the NATURE OF SENSATIONS. Think of sensations as the atoms of your subjective experience, both inside and outside. What a meditator does is "zooming" into, deconstruct and dissecting and shred Reality into sensations at the microscopic level. All sensations are aware of themselves exactly where they are. All sensations are devoid of self/Self and spontaneously, co-dependently arising No sensation "cause" or "own" another cluster of sensation. Different vibratory velocity of sensations gives rise to the difference between "air", "liquid", "solid forms" All sensations are in equal footing. All sensations self-librate. All sensations are "non-dual" in Nature, as in sensations in of themselves can't tell the difference between "God" or "poop" or "Awareness" or "Consciousness" or "Emptiness" or "Eternity" or "Love" Or "Intentions" "Matter" or "Mind" "Sober" or "Psychedelic Trip", "Time", "Space" etc And since there is only "one substance", there is no difference between foreground and background, context and content, therefore phenomenons do not arise and pass into some "Source" that is more "real" or "permanent" Now the labeling of these experiential phenomenons into concepts is, you guessed it, just more sensations. So what's the difference between the awakened state and the egoic state? in the former the "knots of perception" is forever untied because the nature of sensations is penetrated experientially. Now all sensations in your entire Field of experience "Lights Up", and are aware of themselves without a delay between the perceiver/observer/Witness and the perceived/observed/Witnessed. This is your moment to moment experience of Godhead/Infinity/Eternal Awareness because when sensations are experienced without a doer/controller/seer/hearer/thinker all 360 degrees are KNOWN and COMPREHENDED AS ITSELF without the delay between object and subject. Thus Reality feels OMNISCIENT. Wheres in the "egoic state" a certain cluster of sensation arise in the center of experience, usually inside the head, behind the eyes, and in places inside the body HIGHJACKS other clusters of sensations to "take credit" for other clusters of sensations that are simply comprehending themselves due to conditioning. When this happens there's contraction of energy. There's identification. There's the feeling of "me-ness". See when you zoom experiences down to the atomic level (Max effort contraction), when you can no longer divide it, this singularity loops back into the other side (strange loop anyone? haha) and becomes Infinitely Expansive. This is why the practice starts out as dissecting atoms, but at the end you end up "Vipassnalizing the whole universe" The very small is identical to the very large like the merging of quantum mechanics x Cosmology, Love x Death at the subjective level. The parts is the Whole, the atom is the universe and vice versa. Now you can get to the same end point either by contraction or expansion, which is why the "Do-Nothing" meditation of Infinite Awareness abiding as Itself is exactly the same as Vipassana. And of course you can do both during a psychedelic trip When you take this to the end point contraction and expansion happens simultaneously and both sides of the duality lose meaning, and you abide in Absolute Infinity AND Absolute Nothingness simultaneously. Now what happens when you do not see clearly the nature of sensations at all levels as empty (AND FULL), is that one particular level is always going to seem more or less "real" or "solidified" than another level, hence contraction occurs, and identification takes place. Thus clinging and suffering. Hope this clears some things up!

Oh yeah if you guys are looking for more practicality on what's been discussed. I find the combination of all KIIINNDS of practice the most suitable for modern practioners. Vipassana/Theravada Path to Realize emptiness/No-Mind/Non-Being Vajrayana/Dzogchen style practice to Realize One Mind/Infinite Awareness/Eternal Being Psychedelics to have quick glimpses, speed up the whole thing, dissolve conditions faster etc Do both self and Self Inquiry through out by objectifying and labeling every sensation, experience, perception, thought, emotions during the above 3, even insights, as not-this, not-that until you become NOTHING and then you'll b EVERYTHING hehe ps taking any of those path to the end point will merge everything into One.

Hiiihihihi I gotta go for my morning hike love you all hope everyone is staying safe/ we got 100+ local covid cases here in taiwan for the first time ever everybody is freaking out lol

On board with you there. Yes sir No Mind is not the full picture. Neither is One Mind. It's the merging of the 2 (Absolute Infinity/Love and Absolute Nothingness) that brings out a much fuller picture. And all of this can include the "I" Realization of NO self does not exclude the conventional self. Thanks for clarifying. Non-Duality is just one aspect of existence. None Locality another. I think "Uni-Locality" comes closer to what we're ultimately pointing to. You are nothing, everything, yet something You are nowhere, everywhere, yet somewhere You are nobody, everybody, and a somebody

I second quote this. Both are also true but yes any absolute (or relative) statements about metaphysics at the end completely useless from that place of direct silence

Correct. Self and no self are exactly the same thing at the end. Attaching yourself to the lens of no self is the same as attaching yourself to God, emptiness, or any of it. True Self is no self and anything in between is also IT. This is why I make a distinction between "stage 4" of awakening as being the emptiness phase and emphasize on the "goal" being the merging and the dis-identification from all stages and every stage/Realization is complete within itself.

It is neither permanent nor not permanent. All those minor distinctions are beside the point. You can say the only permanence is impermanent. At the end it doesn't really matter. What it all comes down to is this - are you living fully in the present moment right now? Enjoying life at its fullest. It's that simple hehe. What is God, consciousness, awareness matters only up to a certain point.

Yes Leo you are exactly correct. On the Absolute level a cessation is also empty. All of Buddha's teaching and the entire Path becomes the stuff of the dream. Fabrications. Spirituality is just a set of tools for you to ejaculate yourself out of the dream, this includes both psychedelics and meditation. However I'm still going to venture and say cessations when practiced correctly does make permanent changes to the neurons. Something is done to the brain when you train yourself to die and be unplugged from consciousness hundreds and thousands of times. The permanent perceptual shifts and moment to moment experience that occur after Fruition cannot be denied. The micro phenomenological insights that comes from observing in real time how every experience, from the most Divine to the most mundane, both the content and the context are constructed and fabricated particle by particle is crucial for awakening. And since there is a difference in "order" between unconsciousness and different levels consciousness, which I conclude ultimately leading up to the Natural State being in a different order altogether than both the egoic state and Mystical experiences. but yes Ultimately it makes no difference, and like you said the brain is also just an idea.

Hahahah thanks I thought I would make an account and discuss it directly with you guys. Thanks for posting

This is spot on hahaha amazing summary. So this really comes down to "exploring altered states of consciousness" vs "enlightenment" the 2 overlap but they're not exactly the same. I tend to lean towards enlightenment work and Leo consciousness work. So it's actually a sweet combo for people who are interested in both. And although we disagree on some parts of the Path I do have a lot of respect for Leo's fearless approach to exploring altered states of consciousness. I'm willing to try psychedelics more yes but I haven't felt a calling for it yet. But like I said in there, ego is altered states. Mystical experiences either on psychedelics and meditation is altered states. Natural state is an un-altered states of consciousness. But that does not mean you can't explore altered states from the Full Natty State. But the thing I wanted to point out is the difference between the 2, since most people confuse enlightenment with exotic states of consciousness. I myself made this mistake before gaining access to the Natural State, as it is impossible to know what ________ is like from both the altered state of self and Self: individual mind and Universal Mind. Now the Natural State is the ______ that "manifest both", a place where one sees clearly and directly that at the "microscopic level" of sensations both are just different reconfiguration of energy and sensations that are dependently arising. Ps. I also agree with you about being attached to getting to psychedelic states sober but since then I've let go of this. I see both meditation and psychedelics as both just being tools for dissolution and their effects the side effects and by products. This does NOT mean you can't explore those content. Even post Awakening one can still go back to previous stages and explore their nuances. But interestingly stated in the video after Realization of No-Self and cleaning out most of my conditions, it is impossible to even call up Jhanas anymore or access Kundalini energies because even jhanas and "chakras" are the by products of the stratums of mind getting dis-embedded and released. But if you want to get technical the moment to moment experience of the Natural State is very close to the 6th jhana of Infinite Consciousness (Buddha-Mind/Super Witness/One Mind) and the 9th jhana of cessation. The difference being pre-Realization there was still a 'center' perceiving this field of Infinity, post Awakening the center is dissolved, hence you vanish and die into the present moment to "manifest" all of 'Reality' 'Wisdom is knowing I am nothing,Love is knowing I am everything, and between the two my life moves.' - Nisargadatta Maharaj sums up the dark light of the Absolute perfectly. This also mirrors my conclusion that the Natural State/"Buddhahood" is the transcendence and merging of "arhat" and "bodhisattva", where the former is the emptiness/Nothingness/Death/Non-Being phase and the latter is Universal Compassion/Love/Being. But of course I'm not talking about the historical Buddha...“There is Buddha for those who do not know what he is really. There is no Buddha for those who know what he is really.” That is, Buddha exists for those who still need an ideal image to aspire to in order to get enlightened, but he doesn’t exist for those who no longer need such a mental prop. The exactly same thing can be applied to God.