Being Frank Yang

What I'm pointing to is, dude you can call Reality whatever you want, you can switch lenses of perception and experience Reality however you like after you've accessed x and y states, but after a certain point, after you dis-identify from everything, even God Consciousness, you Realize Nature itself wouldn't bother labeling and analyzing itself as this or that. And that most of what you experience on the Path, most of the Insights, is still filtered through spirituality doctrines and ideologies. Think of the Natural State as the state of the Universe when every single human has been wiped out, or before and after there was any humans. Or even before the Big Bang and after Big Crunch...Contemplate on that... You can say it's being completely mysterious sure! Saying anything about _______ no longer make sense. "Or is "God" still the point, just one that is truly All of the Above, as in Everything AND Nothing, Unity AND separation, Infinity AND dog poop" who's making those distinctions?

Yeah true. Whether or not you talk about it is largely base on karma too and whether or not your precious avatar is keen on expressing. Osho and buddha and Nisargadatta talked non stop while others like Ramana stayed silent. But it's hard to take anything with language seriously

here are some more visual representation of moment to moment experience of Reality after the center is dissolved

a good visual representation of the state

THat depends on what you mean by "the end", there is an end to the Insight/Wisdom axis of development...when Reality penetrates itself and the Strange Loops closes in on itself through and through there really is nowhere to go after that. but the character can always be emptied out more, and you can always learn how to make better pancakes

Yogis and mystics and sages are God Realized, they're the people who are riding and have tamed the "bull of enlightenment". But there's more to go. Such as letting go of both the self and bull, returning to Source, becoming an Absolute Normie without any halos on their heads. See most of the energetic and kundalini stuff you experience on the Path are just by products of dissolution. https://o-meditation.com/2010/09/08/what-is-beyond-enlightenment-osho/ osho speaks about dissolving even god and enlightenment and the stages that follow. moving from stage 3 to 4 and finally to natty state, which again i must emphasize does not exclude all previous stages, but by this time they are all entertainment. And right, there is absolutely nothing profound to be said about IT. And nobody wants this. Everybody wants to be spiritual, nobody wants true freedom

Well the point is you state God is just an experience arising and passing (an experience that can be trascended for stages 4 and 5) and not the essence of reality. Leo think God is the essence of Reality. I think the distinction between the two positions is clear and not possible to make compatible which I see you optimistically are trying to do haha. WEll but see experiences ARE part of Reality. On the Absolute level it's the same thing but DURING the process it's easy to get carried away with experiences of God from the separated state instead of using that new opening whether it's Consciousness or Awareness or God to continue the dissolution of separation. When it's all said and done all experiences, all labels, all Realizations are allowed, but when you try to be Everything before you truly become Nothing it's hard to manifest Love/God and any of the stuff Leo speaks of at their purest form

Reality just IS. ye don't need to deny mystical experiences, they are fun and you can learn a lot from them but keep reminding yourself that they're mostly the by product of Realization/dissolution

You still think "Infinite Awareness", "Ultimate", and a "monkey" and "true awareness" by your very own contextualization of the Thing don't you also need to deconstruct and dissolve all of the above?

Bro i love you but you're saying what half of non duality and radical non dualists like Jim Newman and Tony Parson are saying. It's beautiful and it's true, and it's great reminder for people who are striving too hard, but it doesn't really help most people who are still searching. There is a search and a path until there isn't. I've done and ended all of the inquires you've listed here. yeah yeah no body here nothing to do everybody and everything is enlightened hehehehehe

You can say this after you seen through the ground sure but for most people who are still on the path they have one foot in infinity/emptiness and another foot still in solid. It's important to ground yourself before you completely lose the ground. Like I said you have to be nothing before you can be everything without any frictions. But yeah i agree, ultimately any ground is as good as any other, whether that's God, No Self, Love, Cosmic BBC Imagination whatever. It's all the same

YOu can call Reality whatever you want. Nature itself wouldn't label itself as any of it. And it is important to have a direct Realization of Reality without any lenses of perception. And before abiding in the full natty state prior to experience and perception it is very easy to have an experience and immediately slap some labels on it and get carried away with the content and place emphasize on one lens of perception over another, whether it's "all is god's imagination" or "everything is empty and holographic", "Reality is Strange Looping Itself", "There is nobody here" etc.

Leo's metaphysical videos are some of the best theoretical frameworks I've ever seen on the internet and it is just as important as anything else. You need a combination of everything - conceptual framework, permanent perceptual shifts/insights from meditation and self inquiry, and peak experiences from psychedelics, and lots of grounding/integration work. So it's not like there's a single blind spot on here or anywhere else, there's blind spots in everyone's development. Actualized.org actually covers a whole range of methods, practices, concepts so it's all up to the individual to pick up the pieces of the puzzle. But I do agree there isn't a lot of experienced meditators on here who's taken the Insight/Wisdom axis of development to the end point.

The emphasize towards psychedelics is just a by product of a bigger blind spot i see in this forum, which is confusing an experience of Absolute Infinity/"God" with a permanent Realization of it, which is not an experience, and all God experiences are simply the by product of Realization. If people confuse the 2 it's very easy to dismiss meditation since psychedelics give you that glimpse way faster. But from the ultimate perspective both meditation and psychedelics are just means to an end. Neither an experience on psychedelics nor meditation is Realization, which transcends both, and even the entire paradigm of spirituality itself.

If you can be aware of Awareness you can still dis-identify and objectify it. Rupert talks about Big Self/GodMind, he doesn't really speak of true No Self/ Dis-embedding and collapsing Into Infinity. When No Self is Realized you won't be able to be aware of it or even experience it. "Just be" can also be misleading. You can "just be" without any Realizations. But to "just be" when there's absolutely no distinction between object and subject is the "goal"

To me a full Realization of IT requires both a "scientific" and an "artistic" approach. Most teachers either leans towards one side. The complete merging and fusion of emptiness and form is very rare indeed.

Leo places "God Realization" at the end of the path, I place No Self at the end and anything God related as simply an experience/by product of an authentic Realization of No Self (which again despite what some people believe this is actually extremely rare. Hence I make the distinction between temporarily transcending the self via meditation and psychedelics vs a permanent Realization of dropping away of self) and to me most people who think they're GOd Realized are simply having an experience from the separated state. But if you truly Realized God and not just a peak experience, then it is the exact same thing as No Self. Absolute Infinity = Absolute Nothingness = Love = Death = Reality. Here is my very simple stages of Awakening that might help put things into perspective. 1. I Am/Identification of ego (everything below Turquoise) Contracted sense of self that stuck inside the head and behind the eyes. 2. I Am Awareness/Consciousness, which is the identification to the Witnessing of 1 (Stream Entry) 3. I Am God/Infinity/Universal Mind And Love. Identification of God. I Am Everything. 4. I Am Nothingness/Emptiness. Total loss of identity. An extremely nebulous sense of self 5. Enlightenment/ True No Self. 5, An authentic Enlightenment is the UN-ALTERED STATE of Consciousness aka Natural State, which dis-identifies, includes but transcends all the previous stages. This state is what Osho calls "Beyond Enlightenment", completely ordinary, yet in many sense even deeper than the Universal Mind stage. One thing i agree with Leo is that there aren't a lot of teachers out there who's Realized the "Loop", as in they'll talk about emptiness and no self but they are missing the "Form"/"Infinity/Love" aspect of it. After my Awakening it was a surprising to me how nobody seems to talk about Strange Loops, or what I call the direct moment to moment experience of "Infinity/Universe Fucking/Eating Itself through and through, Cosmic Snake Biting It's Own Tail", Actually almost all the people who talk about this are people who's experienced it on 5meo DMT. And my natty Awakening seems closer to 5meo DMT than Vipassana dry insights (a more fair statement is the combination of all the practices I've done that leads up to it). My take is that most teachers, even if they've embodied the Strange Loop of God simply don't place a lot of emphasize on it because they see it as a by product of Enlightenment and not the end goal. It could also be that few "close the circuit" of Absolute Infinity/Absolute Nothingness, Big Bang/Big Crunch etc My question is, WHO CARES?!! LOLOL

Yes in my direct experience COnsciousness is an Infinite unified field and all Forms within it are simply penetrating itself without a location, brain or receiver. Now I don't make statements like how it's originated because I simply don't care hahaha

I will also ad d another difference, how minor/major it is depend on the individual. Leo places "God Realization" at the end of the path, I place No Self at the end and anything God related as simply an experience/by product of an authentic Realization of No Self (which again despite what some people believe this is actually extremely rare. Hence I make the distinction between temporarily transcending the self via meditation and psychedelics vs a permanent Realization of dropping away of self) and to me most people who think they're GOd Realized are simply having an experience from the separated state. Here is my very simple stages of Awakening that might help put things into perspective. 1. I Am/Identification of ego (everything below Turquoise) Contracted sense of self that stuck inside the head and behind the eyes. 2. I Am Awareness/Consciousness, which is the identification to the Witnessing of 1 (Stream Entry) 3. I Am God/Infinity/Universal Mind And Love. Identification of God. I Am Everything. 4. I Am Nothingness/Emptiness. Total loss of identity. An extremely nebulous sense of self 5. Enlightenment/ True No Self. 5, An authentic Enlightenment is the UN-ALTERED STATE of Consciousness aka Natural State, which dis-identifies, includes but transcends all the previous stages. This state is what Osho calls "Beyond Enlightenment", completely ordinary, yet some many sense even deeper than the Universal Mind stage. One thing i agree with Leo is that there aren't a lot of teachers out there who's Realized the "Loop", as in they'll talk about emptiness and no self but they are missing the "Form"/"Infinity" aspect of it. After my Awakening it was a surprise to me how very few people ever talk about Strange Loops, or what I call the direct moment to moment experience of Universe Fucking/Eating Itself through and through, Cosmic Snake Biting It's Own Tail, but few seem to "close the circuit"

Second this hopefully i can get more people on here to balance psychedelics with meditation and see the nuance of it

The tricky part with self inquiry is that most people simply don't have the concentration power to "Observe the observer"/"Witness the witnessed" because they are still too solidified due to lack of penetration into sensations moment to moment with Vipassana. Or they haven't stabilized the "I AM/One MInd/Infinite COnsciousness" with DO-Nothing Meditation. To dis-identify from even Infinity you first have to identify and access it. also many think they have reached the destination after reaching the silence of Awareness/I AM Everything or even the experience of a very nebulas sense of self (I AM NOTHING) are both often confused with No Self/True Self, but if you can experience or look at it, you can still objectify it. If you find yourself in the process of "looking, but can't seem to find it", that's still an experience that can be further deconstructed and objectified. When EVERYTHING in your field of experience, every single god damn particle is experienced simultaneously, then you have objectified everything, leaving 0 room for the subject, hence what you've been looking for simply does not exist, is totally unlocatable .

Self inquiry is extremely simple once you reach the end point but it's very confusing while you're doing it. I find the most effective way to do self inquiry is to skip the questions (Who Am I") but simply dis-identify and objectify everything you can witness, look at, perceive, experience by noting every sensation as not self, including witness, observer, awareness and consciousness as not self until both the duality between subject and object vanish. If everything in your field of experience is not self, then when, what and who are you ? But see without dissolving the center of solidity using Vipassana and abiding in Infinite Consciousness using Do-Nothing meditation, it's very difficult to take self inquiry to the end point. See if you truly found your True Self of No Self, you won't be able to see or experience it at all, yet it's that ___________ which manifest all of your Reality, just as an eye ball can never see itself but sees all else. You have to be nothing before you can be everything, so any solidity that's left in your being can still be looked at (or is mistaken to be the one that's looking), thus reinforcing and creating the duality between Witness and witnessed, the one asking the question and the answers.

Or you can say mind of god exists only in awareness or that both are just sensations, the point I've been making is, without a separate self projecting or there won't be a Source, only a "subject" makes the subject/object split.