Being Frank Yang

forgot to mention Dozgchen /Awareness of awareness type practice was also a major contributor!

Also about the identity part I think that it's worth a mention that the merging of Infinity x Nothingness takes a leap into the dis-identification of even Infinite Consciousness. You got through a phase where YOu are Infinity, then you do Self Inquiry from the Godmind and dis-embed even that...then you simply disappear into Infinity. There is a very subtle difference there that I think a lot of people miss.

Sounds very similar. Nothingness and Infinity are 2 sides of the same coin. I call them Absolute Infinity vs Absolute Nothingness, for some they unfold simultaneously for others one after another, some have a fuller Realization of one over another. In my experience the fullest and more balanced awakening is the complete merging of the 2. Between Love and Death. You feel totally dead and annihilated (permanent cessation) yet Infinite with no location whatsoever.

Vipasanna and self inquiry mostly. I hadn't tried psychedelics for several years before the shift but my experiences with psychedelics in my 20s also contributed to the overall arch of the Path. I've always say anything you can access through psychedelics you can access naturally, but again that's just my own personal experience!

Nice! This can be my direct experience 24 7, but I could easily switch lens to other modes of perception. Or operate a few lenses simultaneously. God Realization goes beyond solipsism. Pure solipsism isn't so different from pure egotism. All extremes usually lead to imbalance ways of living. I always stress the importance of reflexivity of being. Becoming truly uni-local. But if you find X or Y lenses most optimum for you, then great ???

Thanks for sharing and summarizing some of the stuff discussed ! Like I've been saying most of the energetic stuff is the by product of Realization and dissolution of conditionings. Even after you reach LOC 1000 full unity consciousness permanently there can still be shadow work and integration. But it's been a year since my shift and most of the energetic stuff came and went. When all your chakras open up you actually don't feel them anymore. If you're still under going Kundalini/Dark night experiences, it probably means you're still going through dissolution. I remember after the Big Bang for a week or so I was slipping into DMT like States spontaneously, and I thought I was "making progress" but it was simply because the conditions were getting released at an extremely high level after No Self Realization. So I would venture to say the "highest degree of awareness" is one with no energy within the body whatsoever, but you do "feel" the energy of the Universe (Will), which is totally outside of the mind body organism.

My pleasure! I don't think I contribute anything tbh I never claim to be teaching anything I just like sharing for the sake of it. the only concern with going to that Vipassana retreat was because I was still going through unfoldment after the Big Bang breakthrough, and during that time I would shift into psychedelic-like states or having crazy out of body experiences before I fall asleep, and I read that during retreats one can easily enter realms and either temporarily or permanently "stuck" with entities lol. And I'm just not too into magical realms lol. There was no fear of self annihilation. I do enjoy every moment to the fullest. You pretty much go back to being a child playing in a sand box while doing every day tasks. It's kind of like being on acid 24 7 but in a way it's even deeper because it isn't exactly a mind blowing experience per se, since both the mind and the experiencer are transcend hehehhe. Remind you that all experiences or mood shifts that come with awakening are mostly just the by product of Realization, not everyone who's awakened experience cosmic bliss 24 7 lol don't let that fool you. Equanimity is transcends both bliss and none-bliszzzz sure there can be thoughts, they're just in equal footing with all other sensations arising in the field like birds chirping or winds blowing. Way way less self voice in the head. But even this isn't an indicator of awakening. Some people have more thoughts after no self, you're simply dis-identified from them is all.

You can do whatever the ffffaarrkk you wanna do after Realization just don't b an asshoel

Hey Leo! I'll have to rea Hey Leo! Thanks for the response. - Well truth is I can only speak from my own direct experience, which is direct Realization of No Self automatically gives you access to abiding Infinite Consciousness 24 7. Now one can still experience infinite consciousness from a center, and this is what I take to be the difference between True No-Self and partial non duality. You can have a perceptual shift of form = emptiness, Oneness, and attain 99 percent of what most non dual teachings talk about while you're center is still in tact. A difference between having just a spec of solidity in there vs a complete dropping away of center is quantum. Awakening experiences is not the same as Realization. This is the main point I was trying to make. I think we're just bogging ourselves down to language and concepts art this point. ☺️

I haven't cared about my physique for years. I just do it because it's fun, it's something this meatsuit programmed itself to do over the last 1.5 decade, it;s not a bad program to run ahaha so why not keep at it.

@BipolarGrowthYou can't really go closer or further with No-Self because this Realization doesn't have stages, it's not even an experience in and of itself. And true Realization of no self IS God Realization and there is no opposite to this. Again when there is no more center you ARE God because there is nothing else and every moment is Reality creating Itself. Where can the Strange Loop go but into Itself? I think most people on here are confusing God Realization with temporary EXPERIENCES and MANIFESTATION of Realization with Realization Itself. The elephant analogy only makes sense when you're focusing on the content, as the ______ that manifest the trunk is the same as that which manifests the tail. Like I said @Leo Gura focuses more on the Form aspect of it in his teachings which can be infinitely complex, and I focus on how to get to the _________ which transcends even the Infinite and the Finite duality and cannot be speak of at all...which if you really understand this distinction there is no conflict.

haha you can prob take apart my videos and get most of the answers; But it's actually really simple man, when you dissolve from solidity to air, from form to emptiness and Realize they're actually the same thing, there are moments of expansion and contraction, but from the Absolute level there is no such movements. And to dissolve form (solidity of sensations, be it body or mind or emotions or perception) into emptiness, all you really have to do is sit still enough for long enough. Place awareness on any solidity long enough, it'll inevitably dissolve it into subtler and subtler levels, and at the most subtle level the very big (Infinity) and the very small (Nothingness) is exactly the same thing. The holographic projection of an ant is fundamentally no different from the holographic projection of the mountain.

Drop the center and every moment is Reality creating Itself. "Infinite Intelligence", stuff you speak of is the manifestation of Form upon realization centerless-ness. I think most of the misconception here is Leo talks more about the Form/manifestation aspect of Realization, which has levels and states and degrees (what the eye ball sees) but I tend to focus on the Realization itself, which nothing can be said about.

Then those "enlightened people" haven't completely dissolved the self/center and having closed the Infinity Loop. The point is very simple, once you drop the self you will be God, and by that time you probably wouldn't bother talking about God in X or Y way because you ARE IT. An eye ball that does not see itself probably won't keep talking about what the eye ball looks and that's the main confusion here. you talk more about what the eye ball sees, and I talk about how to Realize the eyeball and person can be awakened to No-Self/God but does not prope deeper into the different aspects of the manifestation of God etcc

I am done seeking, have been since May 25th last year. But human elements can always be more refined . you can always be more loving and kinder and find better words to share this stuff on the relative level. Sure there can be more, but all forms of practices now feels completely different from seeking, and all is done spontaneously now without effort.

I second this. This is the difference between say, Stream Entry - 4th Path or even beyond if you want to get mappy. And the difference i keep emphasizing, between still having a center and doing a lot of self inquiry to see the illusionary nature of self or having psychedelic experiences through the center vs self/center completely dropping away. The difference between experiencing Infinity through a finite being vs Infinity Being ITself. There really is a huge difference here. In the latter even the whole notion of an "enlightened being' is completely ridiculous without the experiencer.

Reality can feel like this but no you don't get trippy visuals on a moment to moment basis, the pure Formlessness of Godhead cannot be visualized but I can access those states during meditation, but that's all just for entertainment purposes now haha. The best way to illustrate the perceptual shift before and after you remove the lens of perception is going from 720 to 1080 to 4k to 360 4K. And since Wisdom/Realization is not something you accumulate with the mind but revealing all falsehood to what IS, the contemplation can be is the world 360? IF so you're 360 because you are the world. Does the universe have a center? If not then you don't have a center because you are the universe. However during mid path when I was still unfolding you can slip into those states spontaneously, and tbh I became quite attached to those experiences and subtle conditions get build up ie. "wow I can access those states natty I'm so special!", but since then I've let go of all emphasize on visuals, peak experiences, etc

Yeah I always say True Nature is something like the merging of stage 3 and 4, Infinity/Love/Big Self/Love (Christ Consciousness) and Emptiness/Nothingness/No-Self/Nirvana (Buddhism). So it's not that I am biased towards 4 over 3

The Universe is neither conscious nor not conscious. Neither Absolute nor relative Neither empty nor not empty Neither Divine nor spiritual nor material And both Experiential Realization of this takes place at the cellular level. If whatever you Realize come and go, it cannot be said to be a genuine Realization. So although meditation is just one of many tools, the 8th jhana, "Neither Perception nor Not Perception", which comes right before a Fruition/cessation is important to re-wire the organism over and over again at the cellular for the experiential Realization of paradoxes. Before that you have "Infinite Consciousness" and "Nothingness". Training the organism to become familiar in slipping in and out of these different states "physically" would make the last 3 slides an embodied experience, not just conceptual. Although I must emphasize that True Nature, when you "Become the Universe', the experiential manifestation of Realization feels like it's completely outside of the human mind-body organism. I remember the first thought from the character after Awakening was, this has NOTHING to do with meditation, self inquiry, psychedelic trips, Insights, or even Realization itself

i second this.

Haha it's ultimately the same but the degrees of subtler realizations and experiences that leads up the Realization of both has levels. Also we have to understand the difference between Realization and peak experiences/glimpses. Realization is a permanent shift to what IS, this is a permanent change at the deep cellular level. I say too many confuse 2 or even 1 with 3. The best way to find out if a person's had a genuine Realization is a direct phenomenological description of their moment to moment experience, perception, etc and/or watch how they move. But even that is inferred. Bottom line is you can't really tell if another person is Realized, at least not by what they say conceptually. 1. intellectual understanding. 2. Experience/Glimpses. 3. Realization.

Here is another way to contemplate this. What transcends the duality of existence and non-existence? What goes beyond the distinction between even God and Nothingness?

Because the freedom you get from it is unlike anything you can imagined. Beyond happiness/sadness or any of the dualistic human emotions you had experienced prior. And attachments to any states of Consciousness no matter how Divine will not get you to full freedom.

And another point I have been making is, before Realization is stabilized, it is extremely common for the reminder of the self/condition to re-attach and hijack GOd experiences into the new Self/self, thus making God-Realization murky and not as pure as it could be if it wasn't filtered through any lenses of perception.

Yes Leo, there is no contradiction. If we take this to the logical extreme, then it is JUST AS UNCOMMON TO REALIZE NO-SELF as IT IS TO REALIZE GOD. I think the only difference between what we're saying is I say it's more common to Experience God because one can get there through psychedelics or meditation or have a spontaneous Awakening experience, but it is not yet a full blown permanent Realization. After a Realization it makes it that much easier to access God States. And if one's only having experiences of God/Infinity and not a Realization, then there are levels to the thing...but Realization of No Self has no levels because ultimately it is of "non-existence" (A LIVING CESSATION) as you can't put levels or states of consciousness to something that is totally UN-LOCATABLE. This is actually extremely radical because in a sense is not just beyond the Mind but beyond "Consciousness".. but the "manifestations" from this ________ can take many different levels because it is ALL OF REALITY. Saying anymore we're just making things more confusing and semantical