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Whether people like to admit it or not, this passage from the bible must have had an effect on the subconscious of many spiritually inclined people. "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

I don't mean a return to a barter economy. I'm thinking something more next level. Beyond crypto also. Would it simply be a case of technology eventually becoming so good that everything becomes so abundantly cheap that money essentially becomes redundant ?

I couldn't agree more. Perhaps things are evolving naturally in that direction and also much faster than we think.

I remember reading about these Russian scientists a couple of years ago, who claimed to have discovered a way to turn any element on the periodic table into another element. I haven't heard from them since, so not sure if it was fake. But ultimately it must be possible.

Thank you, and I see there are actually a number of big companies already doing something like this.

@integral This is interesting. I am curious, in a flat hierarchy, do all the employees get paid a similar amount, or is it more a case of everyone receiving an equal or fair share of the profits the company makes ?

Yes, clearly there needs to be a massive shift in consciousness and technology for that to happen. And I wonder if it's something we might see the beginnings of in our own lifetime ?

With all of his shortcomings, would he still not be better for London than the other candidates ? Clearly he's not perfect, but at least he's into consciousness on some level.

@Haumea2018 True, so it all comes down to seeing through childhood decisions which may have given us the belief that it's not possible.

What is the main underlying difference between wealth consciousness and poverty consciousness ?

@mandyjw Wow, so paradoxically it could actually be easier to teach an abundance mindset to a kid living in a slum, than it might be to a child growing up in the suburbs. And it could be as simple as designing a fun game which encourages the child to notice the abundance of life all around and within on a daily basis.

@Epikur I like what he said about not just going for purely positive training, ie still having the ability to say no. Applied to humans, it reminds me of the concept that the mind needs to be a servant not a master. And it also got me thinking about the pleasure/reinforcement issue, ie where we get our dopamine hits from. Ideally we would want all areas of our life to become orgasmic in a sense. That would be true wealth. ie no separation.

@Epikur I agree, we have so much subtle and not so subtle childhood programming around wealth. Like the kid who sees a rich uncle being mean to someone, and then making a childhood vow to avoid wealth so as not to become a 'mean' person one day. Or parents telling their kids that being a business person simply doesn't run in the family. It's all a mental algorithm for sure, which simply needs to be seen with the clear light of awareness in order to unravel.

Yes, but the more people begin to wake up in mass and take back their power by realizing that they can make a good living by expressing their authentic true selves, the faster the old world master/slave system will become a thing of the past. Our collective consciousness as a species created that system in ignorance, but our collective consciousness can also redream a new world, perhaps much faster than we think.

@Husseinisdoingfine And of course one way of seeing through the illusion of that divide, is to do something for a living that one is passionate about, which feels more like play than work.

@ted73104 I think even the most conscious person would prefer to see a thriving planet. And I feel that we change each other's lives in bigger and smaller ways all the time. What fascinates me about this question relates to the predictions about the next Golden Age on earth. I love imagining how this transition will happen. True wealth conscious of course goes way beyond just financial wealth. Yet it would be amazing if there was a way to teach abundance mindset in such a way that even children in the poorest communities could grasp it instantaneously.

Do you mean like a fake loyalty to a certain class which can keep one from progressing in life ? Like the belief that the middle class is good and the rich are bad ?

Yes I agree, and I often wonder what would be the best way of teaching an abundance mindset to someone living in a slum ?

I think a more helpful question might be: What is true wealth consciousness ? A lot of "poor" people simply believe they are not worthy of wealth. And a lot of "rich" people also suffer from poverty consciousness because they still don't know happiness.

Yes twoosees, people, including myself, were very much brainwashed into believing that one needed a degree to live a good life. So it's very much a process of unlearning, and seeing that all we really need is to be ourselves fully, without any reference to what others believe is possible in life.

That's an interesting perspective. And I guess creatives can simply be thankful for a new avenue to make a living doing what they love.

Could the concept of: everything is money now, indirectly be pointing to: everything is consciousness ? What if something like NFT's, which seem shallow and superficial from the outside, are actually symbolic of a shift in collective consciousness towards a more abundant world ? I just have this feeling that the collective consciousness can change a lot faster than we have been use to up until now. And that a new and more abundant world is possible much sooner than predicted. Where money becomes so abstract that eventually it disappears all together.

Datamonster I hear you, there's something about it which excites me too. Especially the part about creatives making a good living from their art. From the buyer or speculator's perspective I don't quite get it though, seeing as most of those digital art works are available in similar format all over the internet anyway, or am I wrong ?