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@Hyperion if i say God is an old man with a beard in the clouds, is that also relatively (un)true, or is that just plain not true ?

You know i said earlier that was just a human analogy to illustrate a point. Point is, there is no such thing as Absolute change. If there were, the Absolute could die just like our bodies. You're the one who keeps spinning in circles. We get it, words are not the Absolute.

Okay man, we can keep going in circles forever. The point is that the world of relative change does not cause any permanent/actual change in the Absolute. Because this would imply that God could be destroyed by his own creation.

But when the movie is done, the screen is as it always was. This is all I've been saying the whole time. Ultimately the Absolute is not affected by the world of relative change. It can't be. Because if it were the case, it would imply that (excuse the human analogy) there is a possibility that God could get fucked up (permanently altered) by it's own creation.

But how is the screen affected by the movie ? After the movie is done, the screen is as it was. Similarly nothingness can't possibly be affected by everythingness. It's not a physical part of reality that can be affected by other physical parts.

How is the screen affected by the movie ? How is nothingness affected by everythingness ? Not sure what this means ? (Im guessing you mean the word Absolute is not the actual Absolute, but that was not the point.)

Which part is untrue ?

Well, yeah, the Absolute is everything. The screen is also the movie. But the screen is also not affected by the movie. Hence it's just a movie. A full on one though. Nothingness is not affected by everythingness. In fact everything could vanish, and the Absolute is still the Absolute.

So you're saying the Absolute is affected by the world of change ? ( with your yes no maybe answers This is nothingness happening. Pure magic.

Microdosing golden teacher mushrooms.

I havent watched this video, but in the interview i watched years ago, he claimed to function without any thoughts. Silent mind 24/7.

@Hyperion Okay, how about this, Can the Absolute grow, become different, change etc ? None of those make any sense right, because the Absolute is already the Absolute. If something actually happened, it would have an actual effect. But the Absolute is never affected. If it were, we would be in trouble, but we're not.

Thank you

I hear you, and yet i have heard many say that siddhis etc are a distraction, ignore them and move on. Im open though.

Thank you

I would love to be able to bilocate

I hear you. And I agree, no words can come close when talking about the Absolute. A statement like: "nothing has ever truly happened" is not trying to describe the Absolute though. It's simply pointing to a very logical fact. From the perspective of the Absolute. Hence it's been uttered by so many sages through the years. But yeah, all words are relatively (un)true.

In any dream, including this life, it feels as if things are truly happening, otherwise the dream wouldn't be very convincing. From the perspective of the Absolute or the Changeless, nothing has ultimately changed, hence a statement which i think many a sage has made: nothing has ever truly happened. (You could say this is nothingness happening, ie pure magic.) "No world has ever been created" - Ramana Maharshi

I think i once heard him claim that he doesnt have any thoughts anymore.

Because you're nuts