Wilhelm44

This really is quite amazing. I feel there's a real possibility now that the next President could be someone like a Bernie Sanders type figure.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide @samijiben You quoted the UN definition of genocide. Above is an article from a special UN committee saying that the Israeli warfare methods in Gaza are consistent with genocide. So it's not just a buzz word that's being thrown around, it's reality.

"The UN estimates that approximately 92 per cent of all residential buildings in Gaza – around 436,000 homes – have been damaged or destroyed since the start of the conflict." - dated 22 Apr 2025. I'm not going to post the images of devastation here, they are easy to find on the internet. But I think the evidence is overwhelming that there was basically zero intent to distinguish between civilians and Hamas. @samijiben

Well, thank you for finally being honest with your point of view. Firstly let me just say, that I actually have a much closer connection with Israel than with Palestine. So I feel I'm looking at the evidence quite objectively. Oct 7th was horrific. But come on, if you look at the aerial images of Gaza, their target definitely was not just Hamas. Not sure how Gaza doesn't already look like a parking lot to you right now. Bibi clearly thought to himself, fuck it, lets kill them all. Do you really think Bibi would have sent aid if the world weren't watching ?

Is there really any evidence to suggest that it's not a genocide ?

What makes you think that there's a possibility that it doesn't conform to the definition of genocide ?

The whole place is practically destroyed, what evidence is there to suggest otherwise ? Are you willing to consider the possibility that the holocaust was bad but not too bad. The framing here seems to be just as rediculous.

Jesus, i just thought things were calming down a bit.

So it's quite similar to the Scandinavian way of running things ? Or will there be some major differences ?

I hear you. Probably won't work as well in America. Seems like America just needs to get their rich to pay their fair share of tax somehow.

Yeah, pure socialism don't sound like a good idea to me.

Okay, that sounds better.

How do you see public ownership of means of production working practically in a place like America ?

Is he a hardcore socialist in the sense of no private ownership of production etc ?

Well it shows you that something in a more socialist direction is not as scary as some people think. What does true socialism mean to you ?

Scandinavia.

@samijiben How could this possibly be viewed as not being a genocide ? All the evidence points to it being just that.

I hear you, I think it's useful though to approach healing from different angles, and gaining different perspectives on how your inner world works. Is there a particular issue in your life that you have struggled with for a long time ? Then I would keep on exploring more perspectives and other tools also. You don't know what you don't know. Usually when we think we've tried it all, that's when we discover something different that works even better.

I meant doubting whether this is a genocide or not

What causes you any doubt ?

"Genocide is the intentional destruction, in whole or in part, of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group." There's basically nothing left standing in Gaza. What do you think is happening there ?

But I don't understand your unwillingness to say whether you have a connection with Israel or not.

I did not accuse you. I simply said that if you do have an affiliation with Israel, then it MIGHT have played a role in your motivation for this thread.

Im not sure how i have been finger pointing, but the fact that your unwilling to say wether you have an affilliation with Israel or not, means that it might be relevant to your motivation for starting this thread. Gaza is being destroyed left right and centre. What difference will it make wether its labelled as genocide or not. Was the Holocaust really bad or just bad ? Can you see how this discussion is a little bit insulting to the suffering happening right now ?

I hear you, lets be honest though ? Do you not have any affilliation with Israel whatsoever ? Because to whom really will it make a difference wether this is labelled as genocide or not ? Certainly not to the people of Gaza. Logically it could only make a difference to someone associated with Israel, ie to ease their minds a bit. I really dont have a dog in this fight. But its very clear to me that there's a lot of denial happening around this topic at the moment. And as i said earlier, it's understandable, but actually not neccessary, because everyone has a Jesus and a Hitler within.