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@Roy Tell me about it, I have tried other forums in the past and they ended up getting to be too toxic as a collective, but this place seems to, for the most part, not have as much of that toxicity - but it could, and that's what we all together have to work on as a community.

That's kind of how you gotta do it, is just go within and build it from there. Gl!

@PurpleTree Agree with you there.

@PurpleTree This is the only place on the net you can work on peace on topics like this and not get banned or labeled a weirdo, ect. There are no other places to go to if this forum fails so we have to take care of it.

@Inliytened1 Honestly, I didn't know he was charging people for services, I thought they were free.

@Gesundheit2 *sigh* I know, we gotta turn it around! We need more community oriented projects to grow together as a group and that will settle the score naturally while people work together - but I can't think of anything that would work or that people would willingly engage in as a group. We should, ideally be working towards improving our own, and everyone else's lives as a group - so that this becomes the most healthy forum out there.

I don't feel that he is fully awakened, but I do think that he is 'very' awake. In some of his videos, like the solipsism blog video, he drops himself for a while to show his eyes, and if you look at them, you can see the energies and wisdom that he has collected - it's hard to describe, but it's like a tiger or wolf look that awakened people can get, but the eyes are shiner, more detached. One of my fave teachers; I read from her works - she, well, she has deep eyes like that, too, that transfer how awake she is - and she still has some ego stuff that I can see when I watch her interviews and read her works, but you can tell she has seen some stuff and has gotten very far in her journey - and that's what I see in him.

Like, what if people decided right here and now to take the debate energy, and make something each time the urge to debate or argue comes up? Like, actively take an approach to reduce debate and instead come from a constructive point of view? We could actively gather different pieces of the spiritual puzzle to put together and showcase the lives that we create for ourselves, like artwork. There are so many great things we could do together as a community and I suggest that instead if fighting or corruption, let's work on projects and improvement. The kind of behaviour suited for this place is a communal effort, I am trying to do my part by being less argumentative, focusing on growing and loving myself more. Let's everyone do more of that.

@Preety_India Same, I had no idea that this was going on with the mods. I thought, "Well if I work my myself, maybe other people will follow suit, like one or two, and then from those two, three or four more and so on and so on." And then this happens days later. I had actively decided to change my own behaviour and stuff on my own. Just because it doesn't work, I figured others would grow with me, too. Goes to show how little I pay attention, because there's been all this drama going on everywhere, wasn't aware at all. And now I am worried Leo will shut this place down; he sounded kind of exasperated in both solipsism videos, like, I think this place maybe isn't being used properly. It should be used like an accountability group, to work on individual problems in a group setting in order to grow spiritually together as a community - and it could be, like back in 2017 when I joined to about 2019, and then... well... things went downhill when Covid started tbh. I think the discussion should also include what we should do as members to help grow this community in the right ways, what seeds need to be planted and stuff. There's so many interesting people here, I would hate for something to happen to this place. I am a firm believer in transparency, personally, I have no issue with any mod or member here atm - just kind of focusing on my own stuff... but I really, really think this place could be used like a support system for new growth for people, and a place to share all kinds of different types of spiritual experiences, and less for debating, more for creating. We should all seek to become creators in our own ways, to grow these parts of ourselves and share and focus less on debates and ego matches.

Awww, sorry to see Nahm go, he has been a member here for years. Love you Nahm, sorry all this happened.

@PurpleTree I would/did, but they wanted more or I did. Male/female friendships rarely ever pan out for a long time, unless the two people are both already in a relationship, sometimes that can work.

No. A "male friend" is someone who just didn't pass the tests and is sticking around anyways.

Introspection is where you write down what you feel and are as honest as possible with yourself, and then later look and see where you can improve, over time, like say a year later - this improvement will look like a pattern and you can gain all sorts of insights into your subconscious desires and limitations from introspecting.

Algorithms getting stuck on the same shit? Need new music? I'm here for you. Next drop. ^ All good.

I'm worried for the future of mankind, but my future is secured and safe as far as I know. I'm hopeful that as I increase my consciousness, things will make more sense and I do feel hopeful for a future for myself, now that I will own a home, I have a place to stay and always build from... I go down to my shadow when I do not have that solid ground and I can understand that if the world doesn't have security, that they will act out, too. We need to distribute the wealth in the world better somehow... uhm...hmmmn... but yeah, the future for the whole world worries me a lot. I want everyone to have what I have.

I agree with this.

@Carl-Richard I thought it was an open question since it wasn't directed at anyone. I thought you were trying to get the forum to think about the times they were misunderstood as a way to try to understand how Nahm might be feeling.

@Carl-Richard Quite often because my path is more paranormal and mystical, a lot of my posts are purple-yellow in nature - so I don't really fit in, but it doesn't bother me much tbh.

@Raptorsin7 Interesting. So I guess it really has been a problem for people. I suppose now would be the best time for him to contemplate on how he wants to do his teachings in the future - there's good advice and feedback here, if he wishes to improve his style. I would try following along with your current teachers, and then when you are in a better place - to attempt to understand what Nahm was saying and see if it sticks. If not, then perhaps he does need to think of how to reword what he's saying. The money thing is sus imo, but it was your choice, and you did learn some things from it. But just because of how much you spent, and got no benefit - if I were the teacher I would be wondering why my student is not progressing - and would discuss this with them, especially if they were paying me so much, I would really want to make sure they were healed asap. If I wanted to use the term healer, I would want to make sure that I was doing my job correctly - and if I needed to learn to communicate on a lower level for people, I would, I guess learn how to do that. It's annoying - like realizing you have to go back to school to learn a new skill, but it could be a helpful and fun project if Nahm wants to do that. Think of it like, being on the high level of a house, and your students are at the bottom of the stairs. The middle of the stairs are gone, so they can't walk up - you have to build those stairs in the middle so they can walk up to meet you on the second floor. It could be turned into a new project! Honestly, learning that one might need to learn a new skill is very exciting, it means that the world is even more complex and beautiful than it was before - you can make some really baller stairs - paint them, add designs, put down some carpeting, or different types of hardwood; the whole works.

@Raptorsin7 I guess I would have to know what he was teaching you to know if he was a bad teacher or if the lessons just didn't click at the right time, but you should also have been allowed to make the boundary when it came to the money when you mentioned how you felt - if you felt that you had spent too much and were not getting out of it what you hoped. What was it that wasn't helpful, was it just too advanced, and there were not steps to get to what he was saying, or did you not understand him? What was it about his style that didn't help, and what is it about your current teachers that you find more helpful?

@Raptorsin7 Did you ever mention how you felt to him personally after he taught you?

@Raptorsin7 Yeah that is sus, I can't deny that. Don't donate money like that to people anymore, it never works out. Weird. I do remember you having a hard time for a while and then reached out, I was always under the impression that you got a lot of benefit from it. I guess not. Glad to hear you did finally find some people that resonate with you, that's always good.

@Preety_India I didn't get that impression from him, I got use out of some of what he wrote, and some of what he wrote I did not get use out of - it depended on how long I took to mull it over and if it was the right advice for me at the time - I don't expect that everyone is going to have exactly what I need when I ask a question - so I cobble together different perspectives to create some form of answer for myself. He was part of the crowd, just doing his own thing in his own way - but there are so many other teachers and knowledgeable students that it's really just like having a fruit basket you can pick from. Even though the fruits he offered were one's that people weren't quite sure of the flavour of, they were still good fruits and we should leave them in the basket - when we take something away, it makes the basket more bland - and for people who could benefit from his work, he won't be able to share anymore. Sometimes some of his posts would get more to the heart of the issue as well - I had asked something on forgiveness a year ago, and I don't remember quite what he said, but I read it a few times and it was accurate. When I understood it, it helped a lot. This feels like, when you had decided to take a break and people ganged up on you in your post, or that time years ago when John Flores had a mental breakdown and he was banned and Leo made a thread on it and people just used it as a way to dump what they were too chicken to say in the moment - like they held those opinions in, instead of saying something. You at least said something about it. I don't disagree that he could make his posts easier to understand for people - but that is also a process of learning how to be a teacher. I just, I guess I don't understand when people hold it all in and then wait until moments like this - often times - to say something, it's like, they feel safe to say it because they are in a group. It just seems like... we can all agree Nahm is a great guy and he has a lot of wisdom to offer, that he does his best to help when and where he can and has reached out to people who are in crisis mode to help them, which most people here don't do - they just give a back pat and call that good, and Nahm would actually go out of his way to reach out and teach people who needed help 'now'. He was also very fair when moderating, and if he needed clarification for something he would talk to the person before making a mod decision, which is great! He wasn't unfair about it - and he thinks for himself and we need that. @mandyjw Yeah, he has a good balanced energy.