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@MarkP He's not aware of his own biases, and he lack humbleness. Otherwise he would embrace the so called anti-vaxxers with love rather than with derision and contempt.

It's all just mouth noises and farts in the wind. Want to know meaning? Dance naked in the rain.

I find Leo's ego less and less tasteful. Especially the whole "you're not worthy of my teachings if you don't get vaxxed!!" shtick. I guess it's true what they say, psychedelics will kill your ego but it will resurface 5 times stronger.

Amusing how Leo can talk about biases for 3 hours but fails to see his own biases, especially when it comes to psychedelics, enlightenment, or calling people stupid for questioning vaccines. Funny.

Tip of the iceberg. If people were faced with the scale of torture going on in the meat industry, most would convert to vegetarian or vegan instantly. Only psychos would remain.

Love is one and the same as mystery. Both are ineffable and infinitely deep. Both are the force that created all. Indeed you could say they create each other. When you talk about love, you inevitably talk about mystery. When you talk about mystery, you inevitably talk about love. They are one.

What if you had a room full of solipsist and they were arguing which one was the true me?

Color of your shirt + last thing you ate

Disagreed. Truth can be found anywhere, even in a dirty old sock. The question is are you open to it?

He said he eats once every three days.

Love

That certainly helps. Personally I think psychedelics are extraordinary and profound tools, but they are still tools at the end of the day. And they're not really even tools for enlightenment, they're tools for softening the ego and tools for inner exploration. Enlightenment is so radical that it transcends even the need for any tools. Perhaps it is culture itself that sets up the boundaries to begin with. Animals certainly seem to be in a kind of perpetual state of enlightenment. And as I said, you can access these dimensions easily as a kid. At least I could. And I don't believe I'm any special in that regard.

Because I've seen all I wanted to see. It's hard because our culture is so good at training us for it to be hard. If our culture trained us for it to be easy it would be as natural as drinking water in the morning. Kids can easily open to this dimension since they haven't received the mass amount of programming yet. I remember having profound psychedelic-like experiences as a kid. I suspect most kids have these experiences, they're just suppressed and forgotten. Nice loop. I'm sure you can't go mad that way at all.

Well, mean, of course, has no meaning. Lol

@Breakingthewall I just don't believe that this is a way to enlightenment, that's all. I've seen plenty psychonauts go down the spiritual route and nothing good ever came of it. The only way you can even remotely contextualize these experiences is if you're already a (very) spiritually advanced person. In which case why take a substance, you can simply meditate and achieve the same. If you think you can't achieve the same on your own, well, you have more to learn.

Try three strong hits of 80x Salvia and let me know if you want anything stronger to exist. There's also arrogance in believing these are some kind of cheat codes that will get you enlightened. Funny how you only see one side. I started my psychedelic journey in the hopes that I would figure out what all those masters are saying and well, I have figured out what they are saying, but I'm not living it. I claim that psychedelics is something that one should overcome, rather than embrace on one's spiritual journey. I'm just going to reiterate the point that compared to Salvia most other stuff is a toy. I did heroic mushroom doses and while they were insane experiences, they're still far below what Salvia can do, not even in the same universe. I've been to the far reaches of the Bardo. DMT can't be all that different. It just can't because it's same damn place. It's the place you can't talk about, LOL.

Haven't done DMT, so idk, if it makes you god. Great. But you still come down, the high wears off, and you're no more enlightened than before you went to that place. I've done Salvia which by all accounts is the strangest psychedelic in the universe. I haven't heard DMT users getting stuck in an alternate dimension for what seems like years, but I've heard of trips like that on Salvia. And having experienced it yeah. It's no joke. I've had an experience of so called "god consciousness" on Salvia, I know what Leo and the rest of you are talking about very, very well. But I also know everyone that doesn't admit that you forget 99.999999% of the experience after you come down is fooling themselves. All you bring back is glimpses, actually even worse than a dream. This ain't enlightenment, this is confusion and maya.

I have a much better analogy for you. Smoking. When you're a smoker, after years or decades of conditioning yourself through smoking regularly, you'll learn to love the smoke. You will really find it pleasant, tasteful, gratifying, a lot of good qualities. You will even find it hard to understand why people think smoke smells bad. You've created a filter in your brain that converts all the nastiness of smoking, into something that's perceived as pleasant. If - as a heavy smoker - you then successfully quit smoking, after a month, maybe two, you will notice something curious. You will notice that smoke that you used to think smells nice, gains an unearthly stench. It almost makes you gag, that's how vile and foul it is. Maybe you take one toke of a cigarette a few months into being smoke free, and you may find the experience absolutely gut wrenchingly horrible. It will make your stomach turn, your head feel funny, and your lungs feel under attack from a nasty, harsh agent. You will find all those supposed benefits you used to believe smoke possesses have turned upside down, and now all you see is a crappy habit that makes you ill, makes you smell incredibly bad, makes your health worse, makes you cough all the time, and addicts you so you can't even enjoy a single morning without it. You know where I'm going with this by now. If you quit meat, the same will eventually happen, how long it takes depends on how much conditioning to like meat you've gone through. The same happens after quitting cheese too. I've been off cheese for a few weeks now and I've noticed that curiously, I really dislike the smell of cheese now. It's almost like it contains something nasty. Basically it's all conditioning. I'm not saying that raw salad will start tasting like a premium snack after you quit meat, but I can assure you that vegan recipes are orders of magnitude tastier than anything the animal product world has to offer, which actually seems bland and uninspired by comparison. Not to mention disgusting, I've never understood how people can cut meat, stuff a dead chicken, and things like that. I can understand something like that in a life and death situation but doing these things off your own volition, in the current year, is nothing other than conditioning. Your parents said it's normal, and their parents said it's normal, so now it's normal. Well it's not normal, it's wicked. This behavior does not belong in the space age, age where we can literally create meat in labs. The one place where I'm still in touch with meat is the food I buy for my pets, which I'm glad I don't have to manually prepare so I fully acknowledge I'm a little hypocritical here. But I can't see the good in turning my dog into a vegetarian either. As for a civilized species like humans are supposed to be, I see no excuse whatsoever to perpetuate this cycle of stupidity. Veganism has been making massive gains all across the world, if you look just 20-30 years ago, it was almost unheard of unless you were part of some very specific community. Now almost every city has a million vegan places. It's going mainstream like it or not. And eventually, maybe in the far future but hopefully far sooner than that, our civilization will look at eating meat as the barbaric and uncivilized practice that it really is. Not to mention it's one of the primary sources of pollution and wasted food.

You can master multiple things. Most people will tell you you can't do it because they can't do it, don't listen to that crap. Just do it.

Everything we talk about is bullshit. The things we speak, write, and read about are nothing more than mouth noises, and scribbles of symbols. They are meaningless. Truth is far more interesting and expansive than our primitive language can ever hope to describe. So when you hear words like "infinity" or "enlightenment", you need to be very well aware of the nature of this. The words are meaningless symbols. The thing the words ultimately point to, is the real thing.

I've had profound experiences on psychedelics where I literally understood everything. I understood who I was, where I came from, I understood why the things that happened in my life happened down to the last minute detail, I understood all human beings, all non human beings, I understood what reality is, why it exists, why we wonder why it exists, I was delivered all the secrets of the universe very directly. The answers would hit me before I ever begun to ask the question. And then I sobered up and I understood exactly jack shit. These experiences are fleeting. I don't think Leo gets it for some reason. These won't awaken you any more than alcohol will give you permanent courage. Same. And unlike psychedelic-induced experiences, those stuck with me and are still with me. They are very important, profound tools, but they are not the cheat code to awakening. Awakening comes when it wants to, and there's not a thing you can do to get there. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try, though.

You can't awaken through psychedelics. As long as you're chasing these mystical experiences you're stuck. The experience fades as quick as it comes. It's a seductive blind alley. Literally the siren's call. Your very desire to awaken is the primary obstacle to awakening.

One of my mushroom trips showed me without a shred of doubt that what we call reality is just a persistent hallucination, just one of the possible perspectives, no more and no less relevant than any other perspective. Something frantically laughed behind me as I realized this, and then I sobered up. Mindfuck.

You do you, I'll do me.