Water by the River

"And if one has transcended the illusion, one normally does something like mainly acting out of compassion. Because Reality doesn't let anyone "off the hook" or outside the illusion that doesn't have lots of compassion. Yes, Reality is smart enough to do just that. Because who controls which being gets Liberation?" In my personal experience of what kills Awakened nondual states, and in the description of that of countless others. These states need compassion & love. Without that, it just closes down. And nearly endless NDE and OBE reports. And sorry if I will not answer fast & everything in the next days, got a lot of stuff do it.

Just a view points that you wrote, with quotes if yours truly written before these points of yours. Guess we snuggle together conceptually with our views closer than you thought (1): Ummm.... yes (2): We got a lift-off Houston. (3) Yes so, pretty much el muerte is required. Fully agree. After we obviously alreay align so much, which didn't really hinder you to criticize positions that I already wrote myself - no problem btw., itsSaulGoodman, I guess we can rejoice . And this here is a quite smart post in my opinion: And that is it. At the end of the day, it is all pointers, all dualities, all catergory errors. IT is neither illusion nor real, not this not that, and so on... As soon as one uses a single word to describe Reality, one is already in duality. One can only say what it is not, via negative ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophatic_theology . The answer on all of these questions and points is an awakened state of being, not the latest pointer to the Absolute of the day, which are (a) all pointers and not accurate descriptions of Ultimate Reality, and (b) from an absolute perspective, all wrong (words/duality/concepts). And while we are at it, if it helps: I do understand nothing. Or Nothing (capital N?). But that luckily quite well... Wonderful piece of real estate to be at... Hope my friend that you understand my humour and my direct answers. It takes two to tango. Selling vortices on the river that the River produced already in the past.

Look at a movie on TV. Is it real? Is this really going on? Did it really happen like that? Rather not. Do we know this all the time while we watch the movie? No, We just follow the story, get involved, don't think about if its just professional actors doing their job. Because if we always think that the actors were just acting, and go home after filming a scene... boring! So we buy into it, and enjoy it. Is the appearance of the movie on the screen real? Yes it is. Is it actually happening what is shown on the screen? Did it actually happen, was there a real story being filmed? Nope. Same with the world that looks so external, out there, and solid. With others inside it. Is that true? No. Not at all. None(!) of it. It is an illusion of the highest degree. NONE of that is the case. Is it real? The appearance of it yes. Like a hologram, but appears totaly solid/out there/material/(or aka duality) in the unenlightened state. But in Truth, it is only You, Your True being, believing its projections occuring IN its infinite being (which has NO inside and NO outside since its.... infinite! ) to be real. Believing that there is material reality "out" there. Solid. With "others" than oneself. And that is the most magnificent illusion, because it is just not true. It is only True You. Infinite Being. Only that, in all possible universes. Limitless/boundless/infinite, hence in all possible worlds/realms/dimensions. Playing a game of hide and seek... Selling Understanding of the magnificent illusion by the River Disclaimer: If one hasn't fully transcended the illusion, it can feel damn real if one doesn't respect that actions have consequences, or Karma. If one hits ones toe with a hammer, it WILL hurt, and will not feel like an illusion. Illusion doesn't mean that the ego can do what it wants and then don't care whats the feedback. It will be made to care... And if one has transcended the illusion, one normally does something like mainly acting out of compassion. Because Reality doesn't let anyone "off the hook" or outside the illusion that doesn't have lots of compassion. Yes, Reality is smart enough to do just that. Because who controls which being gets Liberation? Infinity Reality. And Infinite Reality is not dumb... Rather infinitely intelligent. And how doesn't reality let a being "off the hook"? By making it suffer. Not today darling, whatever you did what not what was expected to experience realization, and now please do/try something else. And since Reality doesn't tell that directly (because its a big game/maze/Lila): Suffering is the tool to make the hamster-wheel go round...

Zero doubt about that

Reality/True Being has the potential of infinitel intelligence. So is is infinite intelligent. Our universe alone can sustain mathematics with which infinite dimensions can be calculated/simulated/described (4 dimensional worlds, 5, n, n+1, non-euclidian, hyperbolic, and what not). Anything that can be done in this universe has to be a potential in Infinite True Being (and much more). Same with life. True Being is not a dead Nothing. Every potential and intelligence we see must be inherent as potential in Infinity. "It" True You is that which is aware, and that which understands and creates all, maintains all, and it is THAT which does all understanding. What else could manifest the show? And be aware of it. Realize it, and you will have these facets all at once. Why do you create a duality between True Being, then Intelligence, then life, then infinite, the flow, and all the other stuff. Hasn't it been written many times True Being/Absolute is infinite (not finite), and has infinite potential? Infinity easily fits into True Being. All of the various infinities mathematics can describe. Buuut the path to realizing that Infinite True Being is first getting rid of anything finite, and limitations, and filters/dualities/lenses of perceptions... because these cloud the realization of "the" Infinite True Absolute Being. Neti Neti. Impersonal. No duality via filters/centers/contractions of the separate self. And then looking what remains, what is always there. "Bombing" oneself to boundlessness and nonduality, or whiteouts, (or what not) via psychedelics doesn't not dissolve these last filters/centers/contractions fully (at least I have never seen one case). Not enough time & clarity in these states. This dissolving of filters/centers/contractions has to be done with "on-board-means", not only external devices. It is the price the universe demands, transcendence of the little ego. Like, at least getting rid a little bit of the annoying bug as entry ticket to the Absolute, so to say...

Still scaring 'em to the lord, hm? https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Life_after_death_on_the_lowest_dimension.html https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/The_Medium_Dimensions.html Lets scare the flock to the lord? Lets scare the flock to the lord! All kinds of people in hell: Selling (illusory) Heavens and Hells by the River

I like that.

Well, I guess, if you like drilling into the psyche of the people, then you also have to allow some drilling by the people, of the people, for the people. You know, sportsmanship and such. And lets take all the drilling with a grain of salt, and do the drilling it in style & humour. Which we all mostly do, I guess.

yes, her ways truly are. To not always speak about God as male. If there wouldn't be a show like that, Infinite God/ess would need to create one I guess...

An Infinity of Gods, co-creating a shared dream. Looks for me the separate-self wants to be the Absolute, wants to be God. And instead of paying the price of self-transcendence and death of the separate individuum/ego to truly become truly Infinite Being, we instead blow up the separate individuum/self to God-sized-proportions. And for the problem of all the "other" separate-selfs/egos: Also Infinite Gods. Somehow also oneself, but somehow also Gods. Seems for me like I want to have my cake (Transcendence/Absolute/True Being) and eat it too (staying the ego/individuum/separate-self). Oh well. Looks for me like the quadrature of the circle, but what do I know...

(1) No, and (2) yes and (3) yes. There is a reason why there is fluctuation between your openness and closedness, and that are open with psychdelics. And I am talking about how to permanently remove that reason, and stay open. Ok. If you perceive no value or truth in that video, then you perceive no value or truth in that video. Just do what you do and like to do, and do it in the way you like doing that. For me that is completely fine. I guess you will also get fruits&benefits from your path and increase the openness.

Concentration on that Koan long enoug literally results in an Awakened nondual state of Infinite Being, and doing it even longer it can result in Realization of True Being. And that IS the sound of the one hand clapping, literally. What a wonderful & relaxed teaching tool for the Roshi. Imagine: No explanation needs to be given. No discussion with the disciple. No questions. One can easily reject any answer to the Koan-solution by just shaking the head. Only the right state of Infinite Impersonal Being will pass... and then its already done. Sounds a bit one-dimensional (if only done like described above, which of course it isn't done purely like that, but there is a tendency for it often) for this time & age? Yup, same here... But in the right setting works perfectly fine.

That why it is a Koan. Which any pointer to Reality is. Some longer, some shorter. He asked for: In Zen they also give "What is the sound of one hand clapping". Points to the same Reality, has the same answer. Which is a realization of Infinite Being, presented & combined with a nondual Awakened Awareness state. So the explanation above was so to say to premium-deluxe-royale-maximum-explanation-Koan. Which guarantees a smack from the Head-Zen-Roshi for too much explanation & conceptual-overkill-Koan(s), but hey... I am not a pure Zen non-conceptual aficionado. And if somebody wants a filibuster yours truly is not exactly opposed to that also...

Find out what you really are. And what Reality is. And if these are two separate "things", or just one Reality. And if there can be anything "beyond" or besides Reality, like "two Realities" (which is of course a contradiction in itself, but normally not examined). Or if that Reality is infinite, nondual, one (or alone) without a second, all there is. And then if this Infinite Reality/Being is what one really is, or the thing that says "I" in the mindstream. Something along these lines... Finding out if one really controls which thought emerges next in ones mindstream is a good investigation-question. Specifically, do you control which thought you think next and its content? And the next. And the next. That investigation gives a very good indication on wether the entitity one thinks one is really controls which kind of thought/feeling emerges next. Do I control which thought/feeling emerges next in the mindstream? Maybe play around with that a little if you are interested.

One doesn't even control which thought emerges next, or its content. Any thought/feeling, especially I-feelings/I-thoughts/Identities happen by itself. One can not control which thought/feeling arises next. There is just the illusion-thought (also arising by itself) that one could. Which itself is a thought which "one" didn't control. A thought is a "universal" event triggered by causes & conditions of the totality of all form/manifestation/Infinite Being. The feeling/thinking that "I am" is just an arising happening in True Being, but not controlled by anything separate/ego. There are just clusters of thoughts/sensations taking owernship for other clusters of sensations (like thoughts/feelings/bodily sensations), happening and moving by itself in True Infinite Being/Reality. On an Absolute Level, it is that radical. That should be a little hint that the separate-self/individuality/ego doesn't even exist in the first place in the way one normally perceives/feels it, but is just a brilliantly made illusion. It is an illusion of the highest degree happening in True Infinite Being. And that True Being can understand that, and realize its True Infinite Being. Selling Water by the River

Welcome to Infinity of Gods. One could call that the Solipsists end-game. An infinity of separate-God-selfes. Indras Net (see link below) gone "ego" or "separate-self". The alternative would be: There is only one Reality. A Nondual & Infinite Unity of Infinite Being/Consciousness. Maybe that the whole thing is just the Real You, infinite and Impersonal Pure Consciousness/Awareness/Reality, splicing itself (apparently) up in infinite perspectives of Indras Net? Not a separate "God" in each node? Every single spiritual tradition over millenia that has made it to the nondual realization declared that there is ONE Infinite Being without (a second), manifesting itself in a myriad of (appearing) perspectives/beings. If that Infinite Being is infinite, it is by definition a unity, a Nondual being without anything outside of it. And no other besides it. That Infinite Being is Reality itself. There are not two realities. With declaring an Infinity of Gods, one is just cementing a separate-self (aka duality, not non-duality/Awakening) and blowing it up to God-like dimensions. Which is the opposite direction of stabilizing Nondual Awakening by transcending that which causes the separation/duality. That is at least my experience. One Reality, one Infinite Being, without a second. That is the testament of all spiritual traditions that came before and that made it to the Absolute. Just a little information sign along the road of Infinite Gods, if you don't mind. In order to not loose time traveling in the opposite direction of the intended destination. Every being is the own master of its Karma, and has freedom to choose. Selling Water by the River

If I wanted to use Sarcasm that would have read a bit differently. You can use ase many puffs as you like, no problem with me. It is just that the video posted by Arthogaan contains quite complex arguments, and I had the feeling that I was not able to communicate the points I wanted to yesterday evening - maybe not the right time, but I don't know. Hence, a good night of sleep. What that says about me I leave for you to decide

Hm, maybe consider watching the video Arthogaan postet - after the weed and a good night of sleep. Goodnight

Then its happy ever after & no clouding over ever again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality "Reality is the sum or aggregate of all that is real or existent within the universe, as opposed to that which is only imaginary, nonexistent or nonactual" If you want to go against the realization and testimony of countless realized beings over millenia because you found something that they didn't see... The Reality of the dream is the dreamer. That is not just semantics. But go and find out for yourself...

Nondual. Of course you are also the appearances, and contain them at the same time. But that is not your ESSENCE. The appearances are the dream (the appearances). You are the dreamer. Containing the dream. And the appearances. And that Reality NEVER changes. And identifying with anything changing in the dream = suffering. Why? Neither constant nor free of suffering/resistance, which is the hallmark of any separate-self identifying with anything CHANGING in the dream.

Lets use the old definition of Siegmund Freud for psychological sanity (vs. insanity): You can work and love. That can be done perfectly well with a spiritual awakening, even better than before. With Insanity, normally not so much... What caused/triggered that Insanity for you?

No, then it is an illusion you identify with. Sorry to say, that will become clear with Enlightenment. You ARE your True Nature, by definition. That which can't be totally open to "my true nature" is the illusion. But anyway, that leads nowhere. Practice neti neti and cut it all off. Then you will get the awakened states to realize that.

No, it is just illusion arising within you. Like empty appearance, a hologram, dream-stuff, a dream at night. They are all temporary, and anything temporary is not real. They arise in True You. Nothing of that would exist without You. Dreamer & dream. Ex-ist-ing = standing out from reality, existing by itself. Existing for itself, by itself. Apart from True You. You can exist without all these arisinsg/appearances. But not the other way round. These appearances can not exist without you, they can only appear in True You. They don't ex-ist or stand out from reality, because True You is existence/Reality itself. You exist. The appearances not. They appear in You.

The "I" that you really are doesn't stop being limited, and then becomes limited again. What you are is always infinite, the whole reality. The I that you write about is the illusion arising in True You. It seems your identiy shifts from being a person to being something else (Infinite, Abyss, whatever). Find out how this identifying (identity) works (investigating these Identity-arisings on a micro-level, and cutting them off). Find that which doesn't change. And get rid of this fluctuating "I", of each and any "I", because they are all fake/illusion. Neti Neti. And then see what remains. True You, what you really are constant and doesn't change. Your Being doesn't change. That is what you are and never can not be. YOU are not "the" Infinite and then "the" abyss and then breakingthewall and then something else and back again and over the over. You are always You. Capital Y. You don't change. Your essence doesn't change. The show that arises within in you does. But that is not the nature of you, not your Awareness, not your Being. Find that which doesn't change and can't change. On how to do that see my past posts for my 50ct on that.