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@Globalcollective Biological drives/needs have nothing to do with this, I don't think anyone has claimed that in this topic. The claim is that it is possible to have an unconditional type of love with a romantic partner that transcends social status, looks, money, fame, notoriety etc. Basically a love that transcends the material realm of being. According to most people here this is a fairy tale and not possible. It's okay if you think that. My experience does not stroke with that belief.

@Harmony342 It's not 4 dichotomies. Jung has distinctly defined 8 cognitive functions that the human perceives and judges his or hers experience by. And it seems people have an innate preference of the order of these cognitive functions people view the reality-lense through. It's hard to quantify this with the scientific method. But it is being worked on. I know a psychologist Dario Nardi is working on this. He is doing brain scans on people to see the preferences in the neural pathways of the brain. And that people that show a preference for Intuition show different results on the brainscans than the Sensing types. Don't pin me on the details. And sure the differences in people are infinite. But it is still possible that people's brains prefers to process information in a certain way as opposed to someone else. And that this is not the defintive measurement of a person's character. But it can explain differences in people in broad strokes.

@Etherial Cat Hahahah. I'm just picturing Eckhart Tolle leaving his wife for a 21 y/o supermodel as she has way more sexual, monetary and social value than his current wife. And Eckhart explaining it as; well that's just the ruthless nature of the dating game, you just need to practice to accept this and not be so lovey dovey. I hope people see how ridiculous this is and that a person of high spiritual development doesn't view "dating" as the people at a lower development. And don't tell me the reason a man like Eckhart is not with a supermodel is because he cannot attract one. Most supermodel women would eat out of his hand if they met.

@Preety_India Yes and I don't want to judge them for it as I had a similar view of dating before I experienced a higher form of romantic love at the age of 21. And this love is not cultural as someone else said, I'm a man from the West. I grew up with all this Orange type of dating paradigm. It wasn't some kind of indoctrination or brainwashing that changed my view of dating. It was a lucky experience completely out of the blue.

@Preety_India You said it very well. I think the romantic love we are talking about is not necessarily the highest level of enlightened unconditional love of a zen master. But it is of a higher vibration and consciousness than the Orange kind of relationships the people in this topic are talking about.

The problem with Leo's perspective on dating and romantic relationships is that he will always view people of the opposite sex as a commodity, not as complete human being. And you can never have a deep connection with a commodity. Sure you can say that I'm denying the reality of dating, that I'm delusional and drinking the Disneyland Koolaid. But at the same time, just because the current reality is certain way now, does not mean this is Truthful. And if something is not Truthful right now, does not mean it can't be Truthful in the future. You can make the same argument as a business owner who exploits and screws over his employees. He is just being pragmatic so that he can stay competitive in the market place. From a pragmatist point of view he is completely justified in exploiting his employees. But we can all intuit something is off about it. Hell, Leo even made a video about the importance of looking at the world through a deeper intuition, not how things literally are.

@mmKay Tmi bro, tmi. Lol

The funny thing about life is that even if we demystified and had an explanation for literally everything in the universe, we’d still not be satisfied with the answer, it will still feel incomplete. Why? We , as a human race, are hopeless in our ability to communicate what love is. Maybe one day we will get there.

Leo it seems to me that you view and experience relationships as a fluid transaction of subjective value between two parties. And youd be probably right in most relationships. But please be open minded that it is possible for two people to have such a deep love that all this falls away. In true love the value cannot be quantified nor be put in a formula. This is not puppy love or plain unconsciousness, this love is a transcendance of the so called value trading. A love so deep that you can communicate with the other without speaking. The value trade is irrelevant. The value is in being

@Preety_India Yes i have also experienced this deep romantic love for people that transcends everything material. But it is difficult to communicate this to people who have not. My guess is that the vast majority of people in the Pua community have never experienced this kind of love. And that has warped their view of romantic relationships. Leo included. Im not judging the pua guys as I view myself as lucky and privileged to have been able to experience this kind of love. I just hope the Pua guys try to keep an open mind that one day they may also experience true love

i dont know where you got the idea from that romantic relationships are all about sex, or sexual value as you call it. A persons sex appeal is only 1 aspect in the equation, you are overrating it. Your pragmatism regarding relationships is going overboard. There is such a thing as personal compatibility. People have different personalities and some people are more compatible than others. Surely you’ve intuitively grasped this by now. Also , love for a romantic partner does exist. A love that can transcend looks and social status. Two people can have such a strong telepathic bond that external factors play little role in their love for each other. is this self biased bullshit? Maybe it is. But still, this self biased bullshit can beat the other ego bullshit of attaining the female with the highest sexual value. trying to get the woman with the highest sex appeal is nothing different from getting the most expensive car, the biggest house or the biggest bank account. It has little value in the happiness of your life.

@ColeMC01 I know this is not going to be a popular response(Leo will disagree also) But it is better to fully yourself and alone than it is to have people around where you have to be someone you are not. I am most happy when I practice rigourous integrity, even when that means no one likes me. A woman will never truly respect you anyway when you play silly pick up games to get into her panties. You might get into her panties by playing these games, but subconsciously she wont really respect you You might ask, what do i care if she respects me of that means i dont get laid? Again you have to find out for yourself if you value self-respect more... or getting laid. and im not saying you shouldnt develop social skills, or the ability to be flirty with women. But im saying that you always want to play the “long” game in life. And the long game is being true to yourself... rigorously. This is the sign of being a true man. Boys play games, men have integrity.

@Leo Gura I don’t know Leo. Doesn’t this go against your philosophy of unconditional love, open-mindedness and acceptance? Maybe this woman has done a lot of inner spiritual work on herself since then. And for comparison sake; I saw a post in another topic where a female poster said she had sex with 55 men(or maybe it was her friend). Is she really that much different from a prostitute/stripper/camgirl? But you’d be okay being with such a woman just because she did not make any money fron her escapades. And what about the Pua men that have been with hundreds of women. Arent they deserving of love as well? Or do different standards apply to the men?

If you are truly passionate about it you will find a way. It's about positive intent. It could be that you still haven't found the right projects for you, but if you feel engineering is the right direction for you, keep going. It will come.

@Thestarguitarist14 I wonder of a guy like DiCaprio ever met a woman who loved him for who he really is. Not just for being Leonardo Dicaprio the famous movie star. Maybe I'm just lucky I've been with a few women with whom I've had a real deep(almost telepatic) connection. Looks, status and money don't compare to deep connection.

I believe art that is trying to be "conscious" for the sake of being conscious is more than often pretentious. And there is a lot of that going around. "Consciousness" should never be muttered when it comes to art. I would say though that there is good art, and not so good art. The good art is made with the heart of the auteur and it doesn't necessarily has to have some profound message or innovative ideas.

Yes, but the way you answered the question it seems that you think the goal of having a relationship with the opposite sex is to always have someone with the highest "sexual value". From my perspective that's a load of bullshit.

I guess, I have been with an "instagram model" with 100k+ followers, never with an actual celebrity or "supermodel". But anyway, I don't really see the appeal. Just the fact that you have status, fame and money doesn't mean shit to me if you have a shitty personality. Does it really make you happy to "land" a supermodel? This has always confused me.

I don't think "win-win" is orange. Orange seems more win-lose to me. In stage yellow win-win gets unlocked, green pretends to be win-win, but actually it is still win-lose.

@Truthwillwin The media is all about generating clicks and the social sciences are all about doing populist "research" so they can generate funding + gaining notoriety. There have been many "scientists" in the social sciences that have been exposed for skewing and fabricating results.

@Leo Gura I disagree. There are a lot of "ugly" guys that are with hot women, and no, they aren't necessarily rich or have extraordinary social status. I'm a below average looking guy myself(I would say for sure), yet I have been with very hot women that guys drool over. And I still get interest from a lot of other hot women. Maybe it also comes with the mindset as I don't really care that much about a women looks. Most important to me is her personality. Which differentiates me from most guys as most guys do care most about a female's looks.

I can see what you mean. The real root of my question lies in the fact that it seems that when a woman is labelled a "slut" she is a "slut" forever. And I think a lot of men's ego can't handle the fact that his woman has been with a lot of other men. This is definitely more of an issue for men than for women. For women this is less important in Western culture at least. I'm not saying this is bad or good. I'm just wondering about how people react to this.

Well deserved. It's amazing the quality of the content he is giving away for free. Ignore the haters and keep doing what you are doing. I do wonder how Leo will handle it if his stuff really gets into the mainstream

I can definitely sympatize and resonate with this answer. But what if this person has grown a lot since then? I mean, a person can definitely grow regarding integrity. Like I said in the OP, it has been a period in the past.

It's hard because, up to now, science knows very little about the brain and personality. So, this MBTI stuff can't be proven. It's pretty much glorified astrology if you look at it objectively. But intuitively there seems to be some truth to it. I don't mean the stereotypes you read online about the 16 types. But the deeper theory behind it regarding the 8 cognitive functions defined by Carl Jung. I do seem to perceive the manifestations(or lack thereof) of these cognitive functions in the people around me. I think it can definitely help people can some awareness about themselves and others. It just has to be approached with caution as it can also cause bad effects when a person turns it into an ideology and absolute truth.