Nemra

@Leo Gura, so, did I understand correctly that psychedelics are intended for deconstruction and inducing radical states, while non-stop meditation is sitting while getting extremely bored in order to learn to be present or to accept reality in your normal state?

I only got more present and conscious with two psychedelics I have taken than with non-stop meditation. When taking those psychedelics, deconstruction of reality gets deep really fast compared to when I'm in a meditative state. Furthermore, after the psychedelic experiences, I became more amazed at how things could ever exist. Like, I am fascinated by the direct experience of objects around me. I have to do weeks of meditation to even achieve less than what psychedelics offer in minutes.

This is gold!

I wanted to vomit when I was chewing the leaves. Though, I'm glad that it didn't work.

What about jailbreaking the mind and alien consciousness? You have mentioned them in your blog posts that those are the goals. Are they simply a part of awakening, or are they something different? How do you define?

@Leo Gura, do you think that society can be built only on truth?

@Davino, well, I haven't started meditating again; however, after a few DMT trips, I remembered my meditation experiences, which made me relive those. Although, I don't have a problem sitting in silence. I prefer that rather than talking with others. I seriously meditated in the past when everyone else on this forum was obsessed with psychedelics because of Leo, and I got some profound experiences by meditating at that time. However, I cannot deny the power of psychedelics. For the purpose of getting insights and going beyond, I'd rather do psychedelics than meditation. Meditation for me is more about discipline and being present, even if you can go beyond by using it if you do it for weeks non-stop. I doubt that non-stop meditation can be as effective as psychedelics for most people. Psychedelics target the necessary stuff without my will in minutes, and it doesn't matter how much I resist against it, which I think makes it more fundamental and powerful than meditation. For me it doesn't make sense to meditate to go beyond if I can do it using psychedelics, unless psychedelics were worsening my health. However, after the trips, I am more open to meditate, but not for going beyond.

Gaining an understanding of a specific subject would not make you trip. You just take a psychedelic. Why not? Maybe there will be way more effective methods that we can access in the future. Maybe with them we can have psychedelic experiences, and maybe we'll discover new ones along the way. I'm not sure it'll work, though.

I find it fascinating how psychedelics can even work. It could be trash or toxic for another animal, I think. I don't understand how it could happen that it is designed to affect humans the way it does. I think that people focus too much on the psychedelic itself instead of considering the biological reasons for its effects on humans.

Terence McKenna’s True Hallucinations:

Hofmann's Potion:

The Substance - Albert Hofmann's LSD:

I think what that means is that IQ isn't supposed to measure the ability to grasp the truth.

#5 I haven't tripped. However, I'm starting to relive my experience of doing intense meditation. I think tripping on DMT a few times is bringing those experiences back to me, plus being reminded of the DMT trips themselves. I'm kind of having a weird feeling that something is changing, as if my "settings" are being changed. FYI, I haven't meditated for a very long time for various reasons.

To this day, I feel a bittersweet sense of finality when I recall my psilocybin trip. It makes me tear up because for the first time I was thrown beyond my state, which was absolutely dreamlike. It was too magical. It was final, yet there was more.

I appreciate the tip.

#4 HOLY FUCK! I totally merged with the experience. There was more consciousness than I could have ever imagined. I felt immense acceptance. It was dreamy as hell. However, it didn't last long, although time was deconstructed at that moment, and I couldn't know how long it was going to go on. Until today I wasn't inhaling effectively. I did about 10 to 20 mg, and it melted me effectively. I wouldn't be able to handle it if I consumed more, like in the past ones but properly this time. So, I have to intensely breathe in and out a few times, then empty my lungs as much as I can while heating the DMT and smoke it. Finally, I keep my breath as much as I can, and because I did breathing exercises, I would be able to last longer, and the DMT would keep entering into my body without wasting it.

@Leo Gura, I really want to understand what makes me unserious if I can get the same quality of results or experience with a method that is more powerful in a shorter span. There needs to be something different that the other methods you mentioned offer that I could never achieve with psychedelics so that I must do them if I want other results.

So, what makes weeks-long meditation different or better than psychedelics? If I can easily compare them, how should I decide which one to choose?

@Leo Gura, am I wrong? In what ways is meditation or self-inquiry superior to psychedelics?

Ok. But I think doing psychedelics is a serious business though, way more serious and radical than meditation or self-inquiry.

@Leo Gura, regarding the "Nisagardatta On Self-Inquiry" blog post, are you saying that I am not serious enough for only focusing on psychedelics? For example, I am starting to use and explore psychedelics, although I have done weeks-long meditations before. I want to go deep and high as much as possible as of now.

#3 I smoked about 40 to 50 mg of DMT. I felt a profound sense of emptiness, as if I were at the pure source of creation. Then I experienced a sensation of being born again. The visuals transcended the dimensions I am accustomed to. In my visual field, there were light sources all around that resembled crystals, featuring a white center and rainbow-colored rays bursting from them. The auditory experience was quite interesting during the peak; I was hearing frog-like croaks. After the peak experience, I found it profound that this human life is even possible; I was amazed at how I am here experiencing it. My mind was cracked wide open.

I extracted it myself. Yeah, it is cool. It is also way too serious.