Blackhawk

They can be earthly things, and hoaxes, and people can be lying, etc. You alien believers are acting like Jodistrict. A "sky quake" happens: "It must be aliens!" It's ridiculous. You think everything you don't know is a alien. Normal airplanes create sonic booms which can travel a long long way.

Sky or earth, doesn't matter.

No I wouldn't.

The earth shakes.. It must be aliens. Definitive evidence of aliens. Then do it. Someone do it.

The eye witness testimonies are interesting, but then they smear them with those debunked videos. Why? The media should stop showing those fucking videos. Just focus on the eye witness testimonies.

I see. I agree that the odds of human beings being alone in this material universe are basically zero. And the stuff about other dimensions etc.

If there still isn't any real evidence of aliens after 5 years, would you then admit that earth probably isn't being visited by aliens?

Reality gives absolutely no mercy. I think reality might be the devil himself. I think I'm literally living in actual hell. What else could you call this torture chamber? And this isn't just a temporary thing. It's my entire life, 99% of all the time while I'm awake. I think people in this forum are just wishful thinking. I think they are worse than religious people, because at least religious people aren't deluded enough to think that they have created (and are creating) reality, their lives, and everything. There are 3 reasons why I don't kill myself: Fear of what happens after death. I don't believe in the materialistic notion of eternal death. Survival instinct. It would hurt my parents. It would destroy their lives even more. If I wouldn't have parents, then I would probably kill myself. If I would get a terminal illness, like cancer or something, then I would get super happy. Because then I would finally leave this place, and it wouldn't even be my own doing, so I would be completely innocent for dying. A death with good conscience. What a dream that would be. But of course the deluded people here would then think that I created the terminal illness, but I wouldn't care about that.

Not "only for attention". Like I said, there's a million different possible motivations. I think the most likely one is that they are all hired by TTSA. TTSA is a money producing hoax company. I think it was TTSA (To The Stars Academy) which somehow got their hands on the debunked video footage, which the pilots are now defending. And there's only max 3 pilots. So it's not a difficult thing to pull off.

@DocWatts I hope you admit that there's at least a possibility that they are just good liars. That we are underestimating how good liars some people can be. I have been hurt in my life before when I have trusted/believed in people. So I have learned: always think the worst about people. People are often much worse than you can even imagine.

I don't remember.

What phenomena is there which they could have mistaken so badly? A airplane? No. A helicopter? No. A reflection? No. A bird? No. A balloon? No. A drone? No. A weather phenomena? No. And if it isn't even aliens, what do we then have left? That they are lying.

Abother reason why I think they are lying is because they are defending the video footage, even when the video footage has been debunked. They are acting like Luis Elizondo in the video I posted above. What would the motivation be? Well, what is the motivation for all the other people lying? Many possible reasons, for example pathalogical liar, money, boredom, attention, trolling, delusion, fame, etc. I don't deny that some people have seen unidentified aerial phenomena, but I don't think the pilots in the Nimitz incident have. They are all lying.

I'm even more skeptic about this shit now. Now I personally think that David Fravor and all the other pilots are world class liars. Whole this field is full of liars, so I can't see why also the pilots wouldn't be. Being a pilot doesn't make you a honest person etc., it only means that you can fly a aircraft.

Cool story, but where is the proof? Give me one reason to believe in that incident.

Seriously Leo.. Not you. You're supposed to be all about Truth and all that stuff. You're supposed to be smart. You're supposed to be the one who doesn't believe in conspiracy theories etc. Reality never fails to deliver disappointments. They come from all angles. It never ends. I just wish that you can feel that you can leave the alien rabbit hole whenever you want. That you are free to change beliefs in an instant. Please don't ban me. I just wanted to say this one thing. Good article. Thanks. Unbelievable..

Yes but it was Arcangelo who brought up Tic Tacs specifically. But I think I read his message a bit wrong.

I have heard those stories, but I haven't heard that the Tic Tac has been seen by other militaries.

Has it seen the Tic Tac for 70 years? What's your source? Where's the proof? Why would the Tic Tac only show itself to US military?

What the fuck. I just watched this: And it's obvious that Luiz Elizondo is a charlatan. But at the same time.. What is his motivation for lying? Is it money? Or is it because he wants the public and mainstream media to get interested in this subject, so that the US government must take the UFO stuff more seriously and be less secretive about it? Or is he a crazy UFO nut who actually believes in aliens and that the government isn't taking it seriously and are secretive about it, but is just deluded? The reason why I don't dismiss him in an instant despite the obvious fact that he's lying about the videos is because what got my attention was from 59:37 to the end in the video. It suddenly felt like "NOW he's being honest." But I don't know. I think he's probably deluded. My second hypothesis is that he's lying, for money. My third hypothesis is that the government is not taking the UFO stuff seriously, and that its secretive about it, so Luiz intentionally launched a good fake story just to force the government to lay out the cards on the table. Whatever.. Edit: I take back the thing I said about: "NOW he's being honest."

The eyewitness testimonies by the pilots from the Nimitz incident are difficult to explain. I'm mostly interested about them. But all the footage is shit. If the pilots wouldn't say "the footage shows the objects", then their eyewitness testimonies would be more credible. So the footage does more harm than good. Why would they talk good about footage which clearly only shows earthly stuff? I really like this Mick West guy. He's respectful, and I feel that he doesn't just want to debunk, he just wants to find out the truth and share the truth with others.

Well I cried too when the guy started crying. They sing about walking on a path.. But personally I'm being dragged on a maybe non-existing path.

Nice "debate" between a alien skeptic and a alien nut:

So.. no. Ok thanks.

I can relate to all this.