AdamR95

@Origins Do you see it is your ego claming that he has a power? As long as you have form you act from an ego and ego is only a puppet of god.

Your texts imply that you can manipulate reality throught awarness but the error is that you dont own awarness. Your ego tricks you into thinking that you can use awarness to manipulate reality.

You can operate within materialistic paradigm or spiritual paradigm it doesnt matter. Free will doesnt work in any of these paradigms. Every process wich is happining within a concissness is just happening without any input. The "no input" is in anotherwords gods will. It happens for no reason. You can say it is in a sence free will but then what happens is that the ego try to take ownership of that. The ego manipulate that notion of no input as justification for free will. And it doesnt matter if you think within determinism or randomness or anything else. These things are just conceptualizing of the same thing wich is gods will. Determinism and randomness means literaly the same thing. Its only our ignorance wich makes that distiction. And free will works the same, it is a concept wich colapses every time you look deep enough. You gave me kind of a exersise wich i do all the time, its my passion. I love to look deep into myself and contemplating deeply. But the answers i get are so hard to put into words, i think i almost reached a limit what i can express through words now. Try to contemplate for yourself what i have said if you want. I think i am done now.

@Origins And it depends on the definiton too. So if you define free will as a feeling of making a choise then that is real, in that case free will exist. But it doesnt change the fact that it is an ilusion.

i Know i am pushing my view a little too much. I know i am not humble in these conversations, i am full of my ego and i am aware of it. But i think i know something you may be missing and i want to point it out. Im taking into account others point of view too and i am able to change my mind as i did many times in the past. And free will is one of the point of view i needed to let go of because i saw its delusion. And i am still open to change my mind but there were no arguments to this topic that i dont take into account already in the past. In this topic i prove to myself many times that free will is something that cant exist. Same way that round square cant exist. Its obvious on so many leves if you are conciouss enough. Its literaly more certain then the sun will rise tomorow.

@Origins Ok i overlooled that comment. The argument is that awarness is a different thing than thinking, am i right? But that is irelevant. Your pure awarness is free but you not control your awarness. Pure awarness is god but you have no control over god, god has control over you. You have free will in a sence that you are god, but that doesnt give a power to your ego. What happens... happens and ego has no choise about it. And if you live from gods point of view then free will lose its meaning completly. As god you already made everything the way it is, nothing can change it. Free will makes sence only from egos perspective. Its ilusion.

@Origins There is value, you dont want to see it. I have good intention, i give you another perspective but you refuse it, its ok though. This assume that your ego has control over your actions, intentions, visions and energy. But it isnt the case. Vizualization has some power but has limitation too. And ultimatly it is not you who is doing the vizualization. How more direct i can be? I had same thinking as you before but when i tested that through direct experience i discovered i was delusional.

@Origins i am addressing them directly. You just dont see the connection. Your whole theory assume you can control something and that is not true. Therefore you cannot manifest anything you want. You can sometimes experience something manifesting through your vizualization but you ignore the cases when it isnt manifesting. That is comfirmation bias, you only see cases when it works. And more importantly you ignore that you are not the one who is vizualizing. The vizualization is happening but you are not doing it. You can refuse my point of view but then you miss the value it can give you if you dare to contemplate it. My assumption is that you dont want to contemplate it because it completely undermines your pet theory. You want me to discuss within the theory but i am saying the theory is delusional in the first place.

@Origins Because you cant control your thoughts, that is something i cant prove to you, you can only prove to yourself. @Origins Exactly! If my ego has control over the situation then i can vizualize into reality that you understand what i have said. But you dont, thats example reality contradicting what my ego wants. But from gods perspective this is fine, god wants to argue with itself from milions of perspectives and my ego has no choise about it, do you see it now? And ofcourse i can be totaly wrong, because i am limited and i am talking from my limited experience. But dont think you know it better, think it throught and then see if i am wrong.

@illbeyourmirror this is not true. Reality contradicts what ego wishes and visualizes all the time. What you visualize is more probable to happen but you still have zero control about it because you dont even control your thoughs in the first place.

If you would be so enlightened that you dont need to care about psychology then you dont need to eat, sleep, breathe etc. because you would be abslute formlessness. But you are here in a human form. So dont be so naive that you dont need to care about these things

@Preety_India But its still agenda they stay in these relationship because it gives them for example sence of purpuse or something else or they just cant leave because they would feel guilty. There is always agenda in relationship but in healthy relatioship its about satisfying both sides as much as possible. If i get cancer and my partner want to leave me because of that i would be happy if she does because i want her to be happy. I have a feeling that you think that conciouss relationship must be long term, exlusive, deep and intimate. But you can have all kinds of relationships on different values and it can still be highly conciouss. Someone can value more freedom and someone can value more comitment and both are equally valid.

We know about limitations of spiral dynamics but its same with every symbol, model or category. This entire conversation works with oversimplifications. And i think spiral dynamics correlate pretty good with this topic.

@illbeyourmirror If you identify yourself as a god than you have free will but that doesnt mean your ego has the power over that. Ego has zero power over gods will. In another words what happens... happens. And what happens its gods will, you can realise that you are god but that doesnt change what happens.

I think its not likely that someone in tier one can do game B.

maybe because for me having any game doesnt mean to be selfish, thats how i think of a game. But if we define game A as win-lose situation then i agree thats toxic.

So game B is meant to be win-win-win situation i guess, but in my opinion that is basicaly same as game A but in more conciouss way.

so Game B strategy is no strategy? is having no strategy more conciouss than having strategy? is something bad or inherently selfish about having strategy?

"Nice guys" are in the most cases unconscioss manipulators. Their lack of confidence makes them to use even more toxic strategies then bad guys. "Bad guys" are better choise because they have more confidence and are in average more honest and less toxic in relationship then "nice guys". But they are still mostly unconsciouss. But there are guys who are above this two categories and they are confident and have respect for women at the same time. That is the best choise but hard to find.

@Byun Sean i 100% agree with this @Byun Sean I can set as high expectation as i want if i am ok with possibility that i probably gonna have hard time to find someone who is like that. I am not speaking from place that i want to complain about relationships or want to jugde people, because i am happy in that area of my life. I just wanted to share my point of view about this.

My thoughts on unconditional love and relationships: I often see people confusing unconditional love with unconditional relationships. Everyone has its own conditions to accept a relationship and its a good thing because sometimes the most loving thing is to leave the relationship when its not serve you both. Everyone has its own prefeneces and in healthy relationships everyside benefites from it. When sucrifice is made it should be only because it benefites everyone in a longrun. When relationship doesnt benefites everyone its more loving to leave. Very often one side demonize preferences of the other side because he/she should love them as they are but thats selfisness and hypocrisy. We should respect each others preferences and undestand that we have no right to judge preferences other has. And the other person is free to leave if he/she isnt satisfied. And the last thing is there si no good or bad preferences. Someone has more emotional preferences and someone more physical. Someone wants exclusive relationship and someone dont. All preferences are ok if we respect each other and dont force our agenda on the other.

Even that isnt free choice at all. Ego thinks it is his free choice but it isnt. Its only gods will if you do accept it or not. If you identify your self as god then it is your free choice but at the same time "free choice" lose its meaning at that point.

Being active doesnt require free will. I think he meant that in relative sence. Even without free will its bad idea to have a victim mindset. If god doesnt or does interfere with itself is about perspective you take on that.

Only true free will is gods will. What people mean when they talk about free will is personal free will and that doesnt exist. Your ego doesnt have free will, your ego is gods puppet . You have free will in a sence if you identify yourself as god but this free will is different than what ego thinks free will is.

Its not silly at all. Hard things can be enjoyable too. You can make it enjoyable even when you start its all about mindset.