Majed

@Basman this desire for excess often stems as an overreaction to a trauma in the past due to a lack in necessity

@fabger it's not about quantity but quality of approaches

great example of construct awareness

@Leo Gura what do you think?

Here's the logic: God is mind. God is freedom. If you're mind becomes completely free you become God. What people misconceive about reality is that it has to be physical or it has to be a certain way, however Truth is freedom. The reason animals and humans exist is because God is so free to be an animal or to be a human, literally that's how it works. So in practice people are bound by all sorts of fictions, money, gender, religion, science, ethnicity, morality, species, sexual orientation... God is completly free, he isn't bound to any restrictions, that's why God can be gay, trans, straight, God is so free he can be a pedophile even... God is freedom of mind and imagination, whatever God imagine to be the case in his mind is what is the case. God invented all the species, all the animals... with his infinite wisdom and intelligence. God is so free he doesn't care whether 6 million jews get genocided, for God everything is equal whether a jew kills a cockroach is the same as 6 millions jews getting genocided. God doesn't care about evil, God doesn't care whether you're vegan or not. God is absolute acceptance of Truth, of what is, for God is absolute freedom.

great example of post conventional thinking as leo said in his series at the postconventional stages you start to care about psychology, metaphysics and epistemology.

@Nivsch can you give video examples of people at the first post conventional stage

here's an insight for you: the conventional stages believe an objective way reality is, whereas the postconventional stages start to tap into the infinity of ways reality could be.

if species is a mental construct, then there are no difference between cannibalism and eating meat or chicken or pork. but society is so unconscious that one is considered completely normal and the other as absolute moral evil.

Good vs evil : Paradoxically the idea that evil exists is what generates evil. I was watching an anime, called black clover, and i was telling myself that the hero in this anime never sit down and introspect about his beliefs on good and evil. The hero thinks that evil must be defeated at all cost thus becoming evil in the end. This lack of empathy towards others calling them evil is what makes you not understand their perspective thus having a black and white morality when in fact moral boundaries are complex. I don’t care even serial killers have a difference in their brains which causes them to not have empathy thus becoming serial killers. The goal is not to defeat evil, but to integrate it as good in your worldview through understanding and compassion.

@Leo Gura something i noticed is that the more you do consciousness work. the more you start tapping into a new reality, a different one than most people experience. it's like you're accessing a new dimension.

@Leo Gura intellectual rigor is studying a lot of stuff. however spiritual experience and contemplative insights, how are they different ? i mean i do understand that spiritual experience than just an insight. but isn't it different degrees of the same thing?

@Leo Gura isn't intellectual rigor just having contemplative insights, which is the same as spiritual experience ?

@Leo Gura i think a lot of new age spirituality is based on belief not direct experience and insight.

@Leo Gura leo can you make a new post where you explain your health issues ?

@Rafael Thundercat contemplate everything

@ZenSwift do pick up there

@Leo Gura the thing is balance is always important. both extremes are dysfunctional : being a nerd that doesn't understand women and how to attract them is not wanted, and also being a rapist is not wanted either. the ideal is a guy that can approach, make his intentions clear, attract the girl, physically escalates, and know how to sexualize the interaction... and at the end sleep with the girl. all of this take boldness and confidence. which society doesn't really promote or teach. however it is also important to know when to back off when the girl is not interested. seduction is complex. and a lot of approaching will teach you a lot of things about seduction.

God is infinite life experience. Because God is ultimate wisdom . And wisdom comes from experience, hence for God to be wise he has to experience everything infinitely. That's why genocide, war, rape, murder exist. Because for God to be wise he has to have infinite experience, he has to experience everything that is possible. And for God nothing is impossible, hence we get the juicy paradox when talking about the transcendental, which is that God infinite experience hence infinite wisdom. All experience that exists is God's experience. Your life is God experiencing specific dimensions and of life and existence. That why you were created, for God to gain wisdom. You are God.

@Leo Gura what do you think ?

I feel like leo overuse spiral dynamics. Like he milked this cow to death. It’s just a limited lens and way of looking at the world. There are millions of other ways to look at reality. Yet leo keep sacralizing it like it is the holy bible or something.

what's paradoxical is that leo teaches pick up then says that pick up is corruption. i mean what's the alternative to pick up ? even with pick up it is still hard to get laid, should you just abandon and resign to watching porn while jerking off? or should you confine to a 5 out of 10 wife for your whole life ? i don't understand why it will harm women to have sex with attractive pick up artists, then again you can be pick up in a healthy way and in a toxic way. i mean to be fair you're not telling the girl you're picking up that she's the 6500 approaches of yours, and the fifteenth approach of the night, so with that said pick up is basically creating a fiction for the girl that you're this natural attractive guy when you had to sociopathically treat women as numbers to build up your skill set. but the issue is deeper i mean don't businesses treat customers as numbers ? don't they treat their employees also as numbers ? don't schools and universities treat students as numbers ? when living in a society with millions of people you have to treat them as numbers, this is not a bug, this is a feature. when you go vote you're basically a number for example. as long as you're not harming the girls you're picking up, dating and sleeping with, then pick up is mostly fine. now can it be toxic ? of course if you treat them badly. but this is not on pick up, this is on you.

leo said that vegans are mostly stage green. and this is true for multiple reasons: first of all vegans believes in a absolute morality and they say that killing animals is morally wrong. which at turquoise you realize is false. vegans also believe in an objective material reality, and want to crusade to change this material reality. they don't realize that all of their worldview is a construction of their own mind. at turquoise you realize that the suffering of animals is imaginary and that it makes no difference whether animals are tortured or not in an absolute sense. at stage turquoise the distinction between yourself and animals collapse and you realize that animals are you own mind. veganism at stage turquoise can happen because to create a healthy society one must promote the healthy development of animals. not exploiting them unconsciously.

@fabger it is the same thing basically lol

@Nivsch I am talking more about the metaphysics.