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@Tristan12 Did you try to see a psychiatrist ?

Excellent !

Example of an environment at the opportunist stage of ego development. The reason it is at the opportunist is because they display behavior that is what we may consider uncivilized, killing and torturing people for example.

hola, would be great to give example illustrating each stage of ego development, i find these stages fascinating and it would be great to study real life examples of them. share a video and the stage that it represent in this thread.

@Cireeric Thank you! It was valuable!

@Princess Arabia Thanks for sharing !

what's so striking to see in these islamic fighters and groups like hamas, hezbollah, taliban... is how their minds are completely brainwashed with islamic religion and culture. it's like a seprate reality these people live in without any sense of relativity or construct awareness. their mind is literally hallucinating islam yet to bring the idea that islam is false to one of these fighters would be the last thing he would dare to take seriously. the human's mind capacity for brainwashing is incredible : nazism, christianity, communism, science, buddhism, hinduism, islam, judaism, nationalism and patriotism, capitalism... here's a key insight: reality is whatever you imagine it to be. it's really mind opening to study different thinkers with different ideologies, to see how flexible overall the mind is in that he can take infinite shapes leading to infinite realities.

@Leo Gura You mean for my survival ? Yeah of course. But why would i care about the suffering of animals when i know it is part of God's infinity and will forever exist. More even if the multiverse theory is true, then animals and factory farming might be happening in other universes without me being able to control or affect it.

@Leo Gura Leo what do you think about my take on this: Here's my understanding of why factory farming and evil in consequence exist: God is reality, God is infinite, hence everthing has to exist including the stuff humans deem as evil: murder, torture, genocide, war... And so when you understand that, ethics and being vegan doesn't make sense, because everything will forever exist because of God's infinity, including violence, murder, torture...

Example of people at the conformist stage of ego development.

How do you confront the reality of morality being a construct, when in real life you have to make moral judgements ? Like i had a conversation with a vegan. And i was about to go and talk about moral relativism, deconstructionism, God's infinity... And then he just told me like would you prefer me to kick my dog right now or not ? And i said no i prefer you to not kick your dog, and he told me that is veganism. I can get all philosophical and abstract with my reasoning but, in life there are certain moral principles, ethics and choices that we make to live our lives. How do i reconcile my philosophical understanding with living life day to day and having to make moral decisions ?

@Emerald Thank you for your answer

@Leo Gura Is sanity just the mental conditioning people receive from their culture ?

@integration journey i used this as just one example

The reason criminals exist is not because they're immoral but because they're the most moral. So for example a thief justifies theft using morality that he needs to thieve for his family. Or a rapist justifies rape by fulfilling his sexual needs. Or a murderer justify murder by saying the person is so despicable he deserves it. Morality is relative. A meat eater justifies eating meat by saying he needs to feed himself or humans are superior and animals inferior. And a vegan justifies his lifestyle saying that he loves animals and doesn't want them to suffer. It's all relative. For half the population on the planet gay sex is evil and immoral, for the other half gay sex is just love and homophobia is what is immoral. For hitler the jews were an inferior despicable race. For people today hitler was a monster. So you see it's all relative. What we consider criminals don't consider themselves criminals. It's relative.

People who think the genocide in gaza is evil but don’t care about the animal genocide that is happening in factory farms are hypocritical. You’re either against animal genocide and the genocide in gaza or a hypocrite. Or you can understand that God is infinite hence he is infinite experience hence what we call evil is just part of God’s infinity. For the past couple of years i was suffering with going beyond veganism, to go beyond the vegan worldview requires understanding what is happening from an existential perspective. Most vegans are deluded by materialism, they think reality is material and in this context suffering is real. However when you understand that God is mind, you understand that suffering is imagined by God. And at the end whatever you do doesn't matter, what matters is coming to terms with evil by coming to peace with it through understanding and accepting it.

Serial killing is love. A serial killer loves killing people. It's just love. Metaphysically speaking Life is infinite love. So love gets manifested in an infinite amount of ways including terrorism, genocide, serial killing... That's why these actions exist because of love. This should be obvious that a terrorist loves terrorism, a genocider loves genocide, and a pedophile loves pedophilia. There's no such thing as immorality. Immorality is just love

@Emerald at the end of day suffering is still going to happen, and you don't have much control over it. so might as well integrate it as love by understanding the reason behind the suffering, why and how it happens.

@Leo Gura i think a conscious person would be at peace with the existence of serial killers, wars and genocide. because of understanding and integrating them as just part of life and understanding that they're love.

@Emerald you have to see that the desire to reduce suffering is a bias that won't get you to the highest levels of understanding possible. you have to integrate suffering as part of life and come to peace with it.

@numbersinarow the concept of morality itself is fluid.