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A related question - what can a person do with their critical function? Is there any hope to fix it?

I am engaging because it’s annoying to me when someone is talking about something so convincingly and stubbornly when they don’t have much/any knowledge in it, I feel like it’s not right (so there is an emotional cause )

Sorry to keep bugging you, what would be an example of an Fe coming out strongly? What, for example, would it be sounding like in this discussion or in the discussion about Russian propaganda?

I am an NF ?. I just have a strong Ti because of work.

I am not refusing to engage with it. I keep telling you MBTI test and cognitive functions are different things. @thisintegrated is also telling you that the test to find out what your personality type is, is flawed indeed, and you shouldn’t rely on a test to find out what your personality type is. I told you that there is a difference between depression and a test for depression. Yet you keep saying that MBTI is flawed because the test is not good. You are not willing to understand what I am saying, so I try to spoon feed it to you and break it down - like asking you to tell me what is big 5 predicting.

But why it would be critical Ni? I am Ni dominant

But you don’t show any understanding of these studies, you are just repeating the same thing over and over instead of trying to reason things out.

Why do you think I have a critical Ni? Sorry I am just really curious to see your reasoning .

@thisintegrated what is your personality type btw? Also, would be interested to see if you could type me or identify which functions are dominating

I am trying to get you to do this because I want to help you to understand this. You will not gain an understanding if you are repeating someone else’s idea without understanding it. I am just trying to help you!

@Carl-Richard can you stop using other sources/repeating things you’ve heard and think for yourself and tell me what is big 5 trying to predict? Every statistical model is evaluated based on some criteria to see how good it is. I am trying to get you to think for yourself and not repeat things you don’t understand. Also, I am not writing this to offend you, I am genuinely curious about this quality, how is it that you feel comfortable to be so opinionated on a topic you know very little (if not nothing) about? @thisintegrated I agree, he is not a Ti

What exactly is big 5 predicting? Please stop using these big worlds, when you don’t understand the basics, it’s making my hair hurt. Also, do you understand the difference between a test, which is something you would get on 16perspnalities.com, and the concepts themselves? The MBTI test is just trying to help you find your personality type, like depression tests are trying to tell you whether you have a depression, the test might not be good, it might tell you you don’t have a depression while you still do, but that doesn’t mean that depression isn’t real because the test for it is not good…

MBTI does not mention the cognitive functions anywhere. The function stack is from typology. All of these are different (yet interrelated) things - Carl Jung’s cognitive functions, typology, MBTI. “In his 1913 classic, Psychological Types, Carl Jung propounded the basic theoretical framework for what is now the most popular personality system in the world. Although Jung spoke generally of introverts and extraverts, he eventually delineated eight psychological functions (Ni, Ne, Si, Se, Ti, Te, Fi, Fe) as a more accurate means of understanding the types. More specifically, he focused on identifying an individual’s dominant function, as well as, to a lesser extent, the auxiliary function. Because Jung never developed a standardized personality assessment tool, his ideas were slow to catch on among the general public. It was not until Isabel Myers and her mother, Katherine Briggs, entered the scene that Jung’s theory began its ascendance toward widespread recognition. Myers and Briggs developed the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator®, or what is commonly known as the MBTI®, as a way of applying and popularizing Jung’s ideas. While Jung spoke mostly in terms of a type’s preferred functions (e.g. Ni, Se), Myers and Briggs introduced and emphasized the notion of preferences (i.e., E, I, S, N, T, F, J, P). Although still rooted in Jung’s theory, Myers and Briggs likely saw the preferences as more amenable to objective assessment than Jung’s multi-dimensional functions. Despite the different emphases of a preference versus function-based approach, these two approaches can and arguably should be used in tandem. In many respects, Myers and Briggs were correct in seeing the preference-based approach as more user-friendly, since it is more easily comprehended and requires less background knowledge. However, individuals seeking a deeper understanding of themselves and their personality type must eventually dive into the functions. More recent advances in type theory have highlighted the importance of understanding the less conscious functions, particularly the inferior function, which we will soon discuss. This can be seen in Marie-Louise Von Franz’s exploration of the inferior function in Jung’s Typology (1971), as well as in Naomi Quenk’s 1993 book, Beside Ourselves, later renamed “Was That Really Me? ” For the last decade or so, Elaine Schallock and I have continued to refine and advance type theory, including intensive explorations of the preferences, functions, inferior function, function pairs, and functional stack. All of these elements will be enumerated in this book, providing you with the most up-to-date information for accurately identifying and understanding your personality type.”

No, that is what Myers and Briggs did. Carl Jung just discovered the concepts of 8 cognitive functions Ni/Ne, Ti/Te, Si/Se, and Fi/Fe. Myers Brings use different kind of “labeling” even, F vs T, I vs E, N vs S, it completely redefined Carl Jung’s work and created all these categories, INTP, INFP, etc. MBTI doesn’t even mention the cognitive functions. Before we go here, can we first make sure you understand the difference between MBTI and cognitive functions? That is grade 9 stuff ?

@something_else guys I specifically asked not to talk about MBTI, MBTI and cognitive functions are different things

Cognitive functions, thinking/feeling, intuition/sensing are concepts. Big 5 did not discover the concepts of “openness”, “extraversion”, etc (interestingly, it was actually Carl Jung who discovered the concept of extroversion). The only thing it did is discover correlations between some words and then group them according to that. The number of groups could also have been different, it’s customizable and uses judgement of whoever is performing the experiment. Yea, I suggest taking some stats course to understand all these terms before using them. The kind of stats that is used for behavioural sciences is very basic too, but the course will give you an idea of how statistical experiments are set up.

This also doesn’t make any sense, it’s like saying Bromine or gravity weren’t discovered using a “structured empirical methodology” so they must be baloney

That is not what a binomial probability distribution is measuring - it’s a discrete distribution and it’s measuring the number of successes x in n number of trials (or a proportion of successes p in n number of trials).

I think cognitive functions can be super useful in therapy. For example, there are 4 different ways to perceive/take in information. If the therapist has that knowledge about you (i.e, what is your preferred way to take in information), they could tailor their practice accordingly. Or, for example, I, as a therapist, could only take in clients who are Ni as my practice will correspond best with someone who is an Ni user. There is a reason why certain therapeutic practices work well with some and not the other.

What are you approximating here by the Normal distribution? What are your variables?

Carl Jung was the one who discovered cognitive functions. Then Myers and Briggs decided to use these functions in a more practical way and created the 16 personality types and the test. Even though they worked off Carl Jung’s work, MBTI is quite different from the original theory. Cognitive functions focus on two areas only - perceiving information and making decisions. While these two variables cannot 100% describe someone’s “personality”, psychology and social sciences are not and will never be exact science. Also, I don’t think you understand statistics and probability theory, it doesn’t make sense what you’re saying.

I know that factor analysis sounds fancy but this is just basic stats ?. I don’t see how big 5 is useful as well. I don’t see why they can’t make a similar study on cognitive functions. I think cognitive functions are just harder to understand and there aren’t enough resources.

Could you elaborate on this? What would be some of the potential issues?

I have better things to do than explain to someone on the internet why 2+2=4.

Go live in Russia.