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I asked myself those questions Why AM I here? What is the purpose of this? Is there even a Purpose? Why Do I assume that I exist? What is something beyond thought, emotions, and sense perceptions? There is Purity here. What about through History? What about evolution Am I evolving? Emerson said " History is an impertinence and an injury if it be anything more than a cheerful apologue of my being and becoming." And then I realized the Purpose of the phenomenal world is not to become God realized or to become more conscious. The phenomenal world is just a manifestation of God's evolution.

@LastThursday yes it does seem to be the case. That was a deep question thanks for asking it.

Does the outside world exist? From a modern perspective one might say that the world outside does exist of course obviously! From a post modern perspective one might say how can you know for a fact that it is there when you are not seeing it? Which of those two is true? I think that it does exist and not exist at the same time in a sort of quantum mechanical fashion. Reality truly is an infinite field of potential

Music was listened then boom God, then more God. What Is going on? Fear then God. Shivers then God. Cold then God. Godddddddd.

If you think what I am saying is obvious, then you probably don't live in the middle east, or you don't didn't grew up with Islam. It is confusing to admit that there were distortions in the message, makes me worry if this was expressed to the wrong people. Some of the distortions: 1. Mohammad was not the last prophet 2. You wont burn in hell for things like adultery, being homosexual, and lying is not bad. 3. Life is not inherently meaningful. It is difficult to move from away from the religion you were born into. A core motive for doing spiritual work needs to be changed to move more into a yellow territory. I will post more distortions later What do you think guys?

I mean bullshitters are also God, difficult to swallow. I was once and for time, a long one unfortuanltey a bullshitter. There needs to be a positive force that comes from deep within from a sovereign place within oneself and then it is all love. May God make us one of them. Then it is not a battle between light and dark it is just the activity of love. @ivankiss I loved the songs

@rd5555 what kind of unhealthy ways are you talking about?

Life is too amazing by definition and in essence, selfishness prevents one from seeing this

Is it more developed? I mean it is quite factual in some places in the world that the west does not respect the sovereignty of other countries, forcing their values on them, bombing them, and tricking them into shitty economic deals that are disastrous on the long run. So it is strange to me that the infrastructure that allowed high levels of development in SD is based on bombing, corruption and fine words. Note: I do think that the west more developed i just dont know how this is the case. In my head there is the idea that consciousness is fair, this does not seem fair to me. I didn’t live in a western country, and i was born into the biases of a third world country. A country that serves as a puppet for the west. maybe it is an issue of intensity of corruption?

There is a lot of comforts in religion, that go against the rigor of wanting to understand reality. So someone religious instead of facing an issue head on and think strategically to overcome it, he or she would go to prayer instead so that it can be fixed on its own. A lot of religious people even if they come from esoteric backgrounds that uses meditation techniques and spiritual practices, they rely on a lot of assumptions, which makes their practice more corrupt and comfortable.

If you find a deeper purpose within yourself, does it give you a better chance to be successful. Note: My life purpose has becoming clearer for me, it has to do with Music, I feel that a radical change needs to start happening in service of Life purpose, how to begin?

Yes this and add to it that this work needs to be grounded in an understanding of how society works, in order to be successful and grounded in something real rather than personal fantasies.

Meaning is illusory within myself, and within other people, also structures are meaningless such as atoms, molecules and so on... After deconstructing these what remains?

I have a fear that I want to step into, although I am not sure how to do it safely. I fear society, how it is built, I fear to see the truth in how it works. I have fantasies on who I can be, if i spread my wings, but knowing society will show me my place in terms of my capacity to survive in this world. I am afraid to know what will the answer be.

Meaning is generated from a limited perspective, it is a suppression of cognition and a lack of understanding. When the boundary between the perceiver and the perceived is blurred, meaning disappears.

@Someone hereI think I am in a similar place. However, You can become aware of the demands of life (job, bills, socializing, side project...) as a part of how reality works. I have been realizing recently that 200 hours of meditation will might teach me how to get money a little bit, but trying to open a business will do that in 2 hours. There is something deeply delusional about the previous view.

Your willingness to let go of your deeply held beliefs, will create an atmosphere for a journey of exploration, sometime this will inspire him to do the same thing. How come you are so sure?

I see it as something quantitative more than qualitative which is weird. It is also created by a limited perspective. Sometimes when I become aware of certain emotions the meaning disappears.

Meaning is meaningless, is the case only if one does not exist, which seems to be the case.

Meaning is a creation that you create. How do you assume that there is no objective meaning to things?

What is high vibration and low vibration? is untangling yourself sufficient to help others?

@PurpleTree It has to do with understanding. Why would you want less meaning?

I am thinking about doing the same thing. I think you need to be careful not to become intellectually lazy after being blown away by the wisdom blue has to offer and become like a sheep. And you need to be open minded enough to receive the wisdom blue has to offer. So stay vigilant!

@Santiago Ram What makes knowing difficult is all the other stages are present in a person, and the same phenomenon can be seen from one angle as a stage and from another angle as a different stage. I think the difficulty is in seeing large portions of yourself, not isolated phenomenon. Green is able to take different perspectives without being able to bring them together, while yellow is able to notice patterns between the different perspectives and is able to start bringing them together. As it was mentioned it is important to integrate the previous stages not to repress them or cling on to them, this is where the growth happens. Man spiral Dynamics is such a weird model.

Spiralformation : A piece of information that you need to grow into higher levels of development in spiral dynamics, otherwise you dont. It means a piece of information that you take in and expands your world view more in a way that meditation cannot. It does not mean pieces of information that makes you just more meditative. It does not mean a piece of information that does not do any change because it fits nicely in your current world view. Example: A conservative is preoccupied with his group planning to get new equipment for their department, because the other department was jealous about this possibility and the attention received from the manger. Spiralformation: How about you do a feasibility study to assess the pros and cons of it. Then the conservative takes it, understands it and utilizes it. (This grows his world view from blue to orange or from premodern to modern, from group centered identity to rationality and competency)