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If you think what I am saying is obvious, then you probably don't live in the middle east, or you don't didn't grew up with Islam. It is confusing to admit that there were distortions in the message, makes me worry if this was expressed to the wrong people. Some of the distortions: 1. Mohammad was not the last prophet 2. You wont burn in hell for things like adultery, being homosexual, and lying is not bad. 3. Life is not inherently meaningful. It is difficult to move from away from the religion you were born into. A core motive for doing spiritual work needs to be changed to move more into a yellow territory. I will post more distortions later What do you think guys?

I mean bullshitters are also God, difficult to swallow. I was once and for time, a long one unfortuanltey a bullshitter. There needs to be a positive force that comes from deep within from a sovereign place within oneself and then it is all love. May God make us one of them. Then it is not a battle between light and dark it is just the activity of love. @ivankiss I loved the songs

@rd5555 what kind of unhealthy ways are you talking about?

Life is too amazing by definition and in essence, selfishness prevents one from seeing this

Is it more developed? I mean it is quite factual in some places in the world that the west does not respect the sovereignty of other countries, forcing their values on them, bombing them, and tricking them into shitty economic deals that are disastrous on the long run. So it is strange to me that the infrastructure that allowed high levels of development in SD is based on bombing, corruption and fine words. Note: I do think that the west more developed i just dont know how this is the case. In my head there is the idea that consciousness is fair, this does not seem fair to me. I didn’t live in a western country, and i was born into the biases of a third world country. A country that serves as a puppet for the west. maybe it is an issue of intensity of corruption?

There is a lot of comforts in religion, that go against the rigor of wanting to understand reality. So someone religious instead of facing an issue head on and think strategically to overcome it, he or she would go to prayer instead so that it can be fixed on its own. A lot of religious people even if they come from esoteric backgrounds that uses meditation techniques and spiritual practices, they rely on a lot of assumptions, which makes their practice more corrupt and comfortable.

If you find a deeper purpose within yourself, does it give you a better chance to be successful. Note: My life purpose has becoming clearer for me, it has to do with Music, I feel that a radical change needs to start happening in service of Life purpose, how to begin?

Yes this and add to it that this work needs to be grounded in an understanding of how society works, in order to be successful and grounded in something real rather than personal fantasies.

Meaning is illusory within myself, and within other people, also structures are meaningless such as atoms, molecules and so on... After deconstructing these what remains?

I have a fear that I want to step into, although I am not sure how to do it safely. I fear society, how it is built, I fear to see the truth in how it works. I have fantasies on who I can be, if i spread my wings, but knowing society will show me my place in terms of my capacity to survive in this world. I am afraid to know what will the answer be.

Meaning is generated from a limited perspective, it is a suppression of cognition and a lack of understanding. When the boundary between the perceiver and the perceived is blurred, meaning disappears.

@Someone hereI think I am in a similar place. However, You can become aware of the demands of life (job, bills, socializing, side project...) as a part of how reality works. I have been realizing recently that 200 hours of meditation will might teach me how to get money a little bit, but trying to open a business will do that in 2 hours. There is something deeply delusional about the previous view.

Your willingness to let go of your deeply held beliefs, will create an atmosphere for a journey of exploration, sometime this will inspire him to do the same thing. How come you are so sure?

I see it as something quantitative more than qualitative which is weird. It is also created by a limited perspective. Sometimes when I become aware of certain emotions the meaning disappears.

Meaning is meaningless, is the case only if one does not exist, which seems to be the case.

Meaning is a creation that you create. How do you assume that there is no objective meaning to things?

What is high vibration and low vibration? is untangling yourself sufficient to help others?

@PurpleTree It has to do with understanding. Why would you want less meaning?

I am thinking about doing the same thing. I think you need to be careful not to become intellectually lazy after being blown away by the wisdom blue has to offer and become like a sheep. And you need to be open minded enough to receive the wisdom blue has to offer. So stay vigilant!

@Santiago Ram What makes knowing difficult is all the other stages are present in a person, and the same phenomenon can be seen from one angle as a stage and from another angle as a different stage. I think the difficulty is in seeing large portions of yourself, not isolated phenomenon. Green is able to take different perspectives without being able to bring them together, while yellow is able to notice patterns between the different perspectives and is able to start bringing them together. As it was mentioned it is important to integrate the previous stages not to repress them or cling on to them, this is where the growth happens. Man spiral Dynamics is such a weird model.

Spiralformation : A piece of information that you need to grow into higher levels of development in spiral dynamics, otherwise you dont. It means a piece of information that you take in and expands your world view more in a way that meditation cannot. It does not mean pieces of information that makes you just more meditative. It does not mean a piece of information that does not do any change because it fits nicely in your current world view. Example: A conservative is preoccupied with his group planning to get new equipment for their department, because the other department was jealous about this possibility and the attention received from the manger. Spiralformation: How about you do a feasibility study to assess the pros and cons of it. Then the conservative takes it, understands it and utilizes it. (This grows his world view from blue to orange or from premodern to modern, from group centered identity to rationality and competency)

@Puer Aeternus I agree with most of what you said. It is obvious that politicians tend to be more corrupt than your average joe. but the question is more specific, how is it fair? Ignoring something is not a very conscious act it is the opposite of that. I do get the impression that to move up to anhigher stage in SD, one needs more information. No? How can it be otherwise, can one become green if he does not expose himself to different cultures? So the question is why do these infrastructures enable conscious progress. I can find two reasons for that: 1. Reality is perspectival, if you dont know something and your nit ignoring it then it does not exist so one can grow. 2. It is all meaningless, which is ultimate fairness, so if a country decides to bomb another country it is not corrupt it is just the dream.

where does corruption comes in? If it is not from morality then it is from the lack of understanding. Strange perspective and liberating.

I do understand your perspective. However it is important to look at what is going on, to deepen your grasp of the world around you. for instance I am thinking that what happened in Gaza directly relates to the war on iran. Somehow it enabled it. The conflict seems to only keep growing, so it might reach your way. The study of politics gives you predictive power. For instance looking into whats happening in Gaza informs you about what is possible in the potential field that is reality.

The situation makes me so sad, it feels like the region which i currently live in, is sinking in a shit hole and that there is no way out. politics is the dirtiest game I know. It is cave man behavior masquerading as civilized talk. USA bombing the nuclear facilities in Iran is a huge step towards world war.