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@DawnC Settlements are still messed up though

Actually that's a key point that was blurry to me so I investigated then asked ChatGPT ▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎ Me : Arabs wanted independence from the Turcs so they rebelled against the Ottoman empire with the help of the West with the promise of said independence, same promise was made to Jews. Some states were created, like Palestine, to which more jews came because of WW2. Then the West gave Jews a portion of Palestine which became Israel, with a shared Jerusalem. Is that correct ? ChatGPT Your summary captures some key aspects of the historical events, but it's a bit simplified. Here's a more detailed overview: Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire: During World War I, Arab leaders in the Middle East, with the support of the British and French (part of the Allied Powers), rebelled against the Ottoman Empire with the hope of achieving greater autonomy and, in some cases, full independence. Promises to Arabs and Jews: The Arabs were given promises of independence and self-determination in the region through the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence and the Sykes-Picot Agreement. At the same time, the Balfour Declaration in 1917 expressed British support for a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. Creation of Mandates: After World War I, the League of Nations granted Britain and France mandates over various territories in the Middle East, including Palestine. These mandates were meant to prepare the territories for self-government. Immigration of Jews to Palestine: Jewish immigration to Palestine increased, particularly during and after World War II, due to the Holocaust and the plight of Jewish refugees. Establishment of Israel: In 1947, the United Nations approved a plan to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with an international administration for Jerusalem. The State of Israel was declared in 1948, leading to conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. The situation is more complex than can be fully covered in a brief summary, but your description captures some of the main elements of this historical context. ▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎ So I mean yeah it's not like Jews stole from Arabs, rather each was given land/independence Arabs called it unfair but considering they got multiple states the 1948 war was uncalled for I wonder what could be an counter-argument to that, maybe still oversimplied ? I'll dig deeper

Where's the debunking video ?

I love that there are so many levels to consciousness It's like good anime with great powerscaling

I'm interested in understanding all povs but endless debate won't cut it, I shoulder rather research stuff, like this which I have yet to watch If you have more feel free to share

@DawnC You could argue to the end of time which I'm not gonna do, yet another distraction presented by my Self

One side was immigrant and a minority (30%, too much too fast)

(According to ChatGPT) The 1948 Arab-Israeli War ensued when Israel declared independence despite the Arab rejection of the partition plan, which was mainly due to : ▪︎ Opposition to the Establishment of Israel : The Arab states, along with the Palestinian Arab leadership, opposed the establishment of a Jewish state in what they considered to be Arab-majority territory. They viewed the partition plan as unfair and illegitimate. ▪︎ Concerns About Displacement : The plan would have led to the displacement of Arab Palestinians from areas designated for a Jewish state. Arab leaders were concerned about the fate of Palestinian Arabs who would become refugees in the process.

But who is responsible for Hamas

@DawnC At any rate I have nothing against Israelis (on the contrary) , only governments, across space and time

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war 25,000 children killed in 10 years in Syria 5,000 children killed in 1 month in Gaza

@Leo Gura @DawnC Where do you think this is going ? Clearly a genocide in the making https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly

Where does antisemitism comes from according to you ?

@DawnC The cycle of hatred

Exactly ! So let's stop proclaiming the "right" of this and that

Wasn't Israel created by displacing Arabs in the past ? Isn't Israel still doing that in the present ? Is that righteous ?

Agreed

Put space right after then delete

One finds all kinds of strategies to not do the work

Getting serious, increasing dosages, starting every two weeks, aiming for every week

That you know of Please, thanks

@Vibes @Yimpa That's why I feel the need to stick to a routine, I've been scared for a year and a half but everytime I muster the courage to trip, like I did twice this month, I realize there was nothing to be scared of, ridiculous self-deception If not for fear I would already be some kind of alien mind right now, we all would I guess

Like I'm wondering what was so good about it Maybe due to lower consciousness or simply lack of experience