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Yeah she definitely can transmit energy it seems. Very heart-intense being.

They advocate self inquiry. So does Rupert Spira. And they say you’re already enlightened but the good ones say it remains for you to realize that. They provide teachings. The nonduality speakers like Jim Newman merely provide the message, for no reason. They do not provide teachings. Those are the main distinctions I see. I don’t prefer one or the other really. The only Neo teachers I really don’t like (can’t think of any off the top of my head) are probably recent students of Neo who think they’re at the end of the path but really aren’t and then they preach that everyone’s already enlightened and you not only can, but should, stop meditating. “The message” points to the non-conceptual, energetic collapse of the duality between bondage and liberation.

That’s what happens when you awaken. You stop hiding and let the bad and the good out that you’ve been holding in your whole life. It’s different for everyone but that’s certainly my sense of it and it seems at least somewhat universal, though some people might simply be “that normal” that it’s not really noticed.

It generally takes tons of effort (or at least purification and maximization of your desire for it) until it doesn’t. Relaxed yet incredibly diligent effort.

I can kind of understand that. But sometimes after 8 hours I still feel like it could have gone longer and it would’ve brought even more insight. Plus there’s something about LSD-25 — supremely effective for God-realization... the other analogues like 1P are no substitute; they are just not on its level, in my experience. Even when dosed quite high so as to produce more intense physical and visual effects than my usual effective LSD-25 dose of 110ug — took me a while to get the effective dose that low though; I would generally not tell someone to expect God-realization on less than 125ug LSD-25. I know people that meditate and yet don’t break through to superconscious states even on 150-200+. And the body load of LSD is very much tied to its ability to produce ego death and open the God state. It’s similar to 5-MeO in that regard. The more overwhelming the body sensations, the more conscious it’s making you, generally.

Meditation should not have been that boring for more than about a month. You try TMI? I was getting into states that made crack/heroin speedballs seem like a joke in comparison. Though I did absolutely pour my heart any soul into it. Not saying you didn’t. But maybe try again with less seriousness yet more consistency.

Papaji, Mooji, and many followers of Ramana Maharshi. They generally advocate self inquiry and say there's nothing to do to be enlightened because you already are enlightened. Versus nonduality or the message which is not a teaching, and says nothing, but points out the reality that there's no one to become enlightened.

If she weren't authentic, it certainly would be lol. But since I only sense authenticity, I don't see it that way. I think she just comes from a theatrical lifestyle/background.

There actually is hippie nonsense out there. This is basically resonance; in a way, metaphor. She isn't claiming anything.

Yeah I can certainly agree that listening to them would be an incredibly inefficient if not useless way to awaken. But I still consider them miles better than Mooji or people just claiming there's nothing to do full stop. I have heard them pressed on these matters and it is very clear to me they'd (at least most of the time hopefully) say stopping your practice as a result of listening to the message is a misunderstanding of the message -- i.e. meditation happens or it doesn't. They inadvertently remind people all the time that they're still living in separation, ironically -- Neo-Advaita does the opposite of that, by literally saying no you're already enlightened. Contemporary just casually reminds that this is home, and there's no separation.

I see a big distinction between Neo-Advaita and this -- Jim Newman, Tony Parsons, Andreas Muller, Anna Brown, Andrea Reflects, Kenneth Madden, perhaps more... Lisa Cairns, etc -- aka contemporary nonduality (I've heard it called). Neo-Advaita says you're already enlightened and there's nothing to do, which is hopelessly taken on as a belief -- I wouldn't call it nonduality. This contemporary nonduality consists of a message being spoken that points to nothing; the absolute -- they rarely say there's nothing to do... and even if they seem like they do, whenever pressed, they always make it very clear there's no one to do that anyway, so who is giving up the search? It's made very clear that thinking or knowing you are enlightened already is just a game the individual would play to avoid liberation. In Neo-Advaita, you can supposedly know (or believe) you're enlightened. In contemporary nonduality, you can't -- because unlike Neo-Advaita, it does point to liberation, which is beyond mere belief.

Individuality, sure. But there is no individual that is in any way separate from everything. The story can appear as different from apparently different perspectives, but there is no absolute perspective.

Deep insight! But the devil or ego is simply a program; reaction; assumption; separate experience. It has no substance. It's basically the reified knowledge of good and evil by mere free assumption. God subsumes it and uses it as a tool, in order for the story to seem to play out exactly the way it does, which is perfection. At least that's one apparent description of the story.

I’ve purchased a lot of 100, 110, and 140 mcg tabs over the years. Much of it from the same source.

Your degree of contemplative fitness and realization of the emptiness of reality will allow you to go deeper without getting a bad trip. Though bad trips aren’t necessarily something you need to avoid. I would get yourself prepared with a serious meditation practice + contemplation most of the time, and then when you’re ready, take 110ug — that’s the best dose to take, in my view. It’s sort of the lowest effective dose for a potentially ultra-insightful trip. Not that microdosing 25ug wouldn’t be worth trying in your case. It’s my dose (110) even as a “veteran,” though sort of worked down from 250-1000ug. 110ug works best now ?? If you try a microdose (10-25ug), or a mild dose (30-75ug), just to get your feet wet, make sure after that you wait at least 12 days before you take the trip dose (100+ mcg).

Nothing goes full circle into everything. Emptiness too, is empty. Empty-fullness; wholeness.

You referring to n,n-DMT there? If so, my experience was the same. Somehow n,n is supposed to be less fearful and more fun than 5-MeO... My experience is the exact opposite. 5-MeO is like blissful pure blinding white God mode; n,n can be almost psychotic. I actually found LSD-25 (not analogues) to be a bit better for God-Realization than 5-MeO, since the thought stream and the story are a little more vivid and interesting on LSD, and it just has a flavor that is more conducive to lighting up the absolutely endless/infinite nature of the story/imagination (rather than simply obliterating the ego before you even know what’s happening) in my experience. Not to mention, the almost-too-long duration allows for much more to be explored. 5-MeO can be dosed more frequently, sure, but there’s something about that long duration of LSD that’s irreplaceable — kind of like how long meditation retreats have absolutely no substitute for producing the wildest states of samādhi. Also, just remembered, back when I used them, I noticed that synthetic cannabinoids were very conducive to ultra highly conscious states. This was before I was even consciously or knowingly involved in spirituality, contemplation, meditation, or pretty much any serious consciousness work, so at the time even high dose psilocin was not getting me into God-mode or really even anything close (though at the time I would’ve thought it was if I had known about this stuff). With that said, the synth noids seemed to actually be more powerful! I do kind of wonder how they’d affect me now. I actually haven’t thought about it much but I really think it might be worthy of consideration because I am not kidding... at the time, they beat out psilocybin mushrooms! For me anyway. Like high doses (3-7g) of very potent fungi. Though I think the main reason I stopped was sourcing, so idk if they’re all that available these days. I’m sure they probably are, but I guess I can’t really recommend them regardless, as they are quite linked to health problems and even fatal overdoses. Even so, I do think they’re likely at least in some ways more powerful than 5-MeO, considering how far out they got me at the time — beating ketamine too, come to think of it! Though I think 5-MeO, LSD, and perhaps ketamine and a few others, along with contemplation, are quite sufficient for what we’re doing here. Just mentioning it because I remembered it.

@EmptyVase The Drake and Josh theme song? ?... uh... wait... Yep. Fuck, it’s actually legit ? ?

^^ Precisely — no difference between any two circumstances / situations / arisings. However, this is actually already fully realized, but not by anyone who is experiencing themselves as separate from what happens (everything). When the separation is seen to have no substance at all, and never did have substance, then Heaven becomes obvious. Then, it’s recognized there was only ever Heaven.

This is all there is. This is not experienced by anyone. Ever! “But that’s only from the absolute perspective!” You say... Yet, it remains absolute. Also.: This is exactly as it seems, but it doesn’t have to be, because it’s already everything. It’s exactly as real as it is unreal. There is no separation of any kind at all. It’s a miracle. This is already not experienced by anyone. You are a dream. I don’t know anything about what I just said.

And by the way... If someone were to tell you, for instance, “stop trying to get anywhere,” then they are coming from a place of mere conceptual understanding (thus, misunderstanding) of nonduality. As there’s no you to do that either.

Yep . Sounds about right . Spiritual bypassing or not (absolutely not saying that it is spiritual bypassing, of course).

Completely lights out for this current body-mind that you call you? Yes. But notice how that's basically nonsensical, since there will be no one there experiencing the lights out. The reason, so to speak, that it is nonsensical is of course: there is no separate and finite self present already. So there will certainly be no knowing end of awareness. It will be like before you were born, as it always was, and is now -- nobody knows they aren't aware of separate objects. There just aren't any separate objects, nor anything separate from wholeness, at all. Nobody even knows whether or not they're actually aware of separate objects, even if they think/dream that they know (experience a separate world)... in the end, because there isn't anyone separate from everything that could know. There is only the absolute, which is the relative and can appear as I AM. There is no death separate from birth -- i.e. there is no death. This is already birth and death simultaneously; you imagined that your birth happened in the past -- imagination (the story) has no limit... there's nothing beyond the appearance of everything, which is inseparable from the apparent story, which is as real as it is unreal... and, actually... without limit -- this is actually the aspect that is apparently hidden in apparent bondage -- the sheer amount of story that goes into making "looking at a screen" believable, sensical, somewhat not chaotic, and ordinary is absolutely staggering, and indeed without limit... There is no separation of any kind at all -- there is only everything (which is nothing), this is the whole thing, and it isn't moving... this fact hides in the apparent actual limitedness of the story, which appears automatically when time and distance are experienced to be real. Psychedelic breakthrough experience or God-Realization can give you a hint, but only a hint, of what it might be like. It's indescribable because it's outside the realm of time. And it can reveal the infinite nature of the story -- as inseparable from literally everything. As for why you find yourself anxious about both possibilities? Because all fear is fear of change; expansion; death; freedom.

Possible? Very likely yes, especially with some contemplative development. For me, breakthrough dose was 110ug. Not at first, but eventually every time.

That snake experience does not have to happen in jhana. It can just occur when competing intentions relax and the energy released can manifest in a variety of ways, including as a feeling of energy going up the spine and out the top of the head, and then sometimes even back into the body in a circuit, often through the hands. Very deep self inquiry can even trigger it. Its just an empty experience dependent on the mind. I don’t really know though. Just my experience and intuition.