The0Self

There's nothing to explain man. I don't believe that nothing matters. Nothing matters. Yes life is the realest thing -- there is nothing else. Yes it's beyond understanding. If I knew anything about this, or was able to experience a bad experience as a good one, it would be a delusion, yes. Indeed it would be a contradiction. When there's no one left experiencing reality as actually happening, nothing happens. There is only what's happening, which is as it is, but at the same time completely empty. Completely indescribable. Orgasm is what's happening. Getting stabbed is what's happening. They're both what's apparently happening. That's it. That doesn't mean it might be happening it's just that no one knows that -- no, there is nothing really happening. All duality is false. Every spiritual experience I ever seemed to have was no less spiritual than literally anything else, yes even including the most profane shit ever... Or gas pain... That's where this really leads. There's no point to it, everything is already complete and nothing needs changing. This has no need of being anything else -- there is nothing else anyway!

You mean besides nothing and everything? Better/worse; ordinary/extraordinary... Not that there's really a beyond.

Love always gets what it wants. Always.

❤️

@Raptorsin7 Yeah I hear you too. Wasn't saying I find this particular human body to be more beautiful than any other, because I literally do not.

Lol looks can be deceiving. Everything you know for sure is a dream. "After enlightenment," the best possible experience is absolutely no better than the worst possible because nothing is happening. Further, the truest thing is no truer than the falsest thing, because there are no things, there's no separation, and there is no truth. That's the truth Some people just have everything... Totally joking -- I have less than anyone could possibly imagine.

The me is terrified of the worst thing being absolutely no worse or less whole than the best thing.

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Lol hopefully no one takes me too seriously. It was honest but I was also just being silly

i.e. I would suspect this to be projection.

He could just be having a bad day or something lol. I have no clue what he’s saying half the time and the other half seems to jive. The truth is... well, all I can say is get enlightened and it’ll be the dumbest decision and the least dumb decision you never made. What is is equally what is NOT. How are you gonna derive “truth” from that? ? But yeah for him to say everything can be known — dead giveaway for delusion. There is literally nothing happening in the first place — but that’s what the thread is supposedly about so idk why he didn’t stick with it. Not that there is such a thing as right and wrong.

It’s really not all that liberating when no one and no reality is left. And as soon as it’s recognized, it’s too late. The worst experience is then equal to the very best one. Party’s over ? It also is of course absolute liberation. But who is liberated?

Well that’s the truth... In every conceivable way ?

@Holygrail Though it’s not to say fear won’t come. The transition between normal everyday dreaming that you’re a person, to the true and obvious intuitive recognition that nothing has ever happened can be so jarring...

Sure it can’t be found, because it can’t be lost. But if one searches for what is true by turning away from the untrue until no knowing remains, what’s left is the singular, unmoving, inconceivable, simple, timeless truth.

Solipsism is actually a trap. The true nature has no self existence. The I in everyone is the same I, but it’s an illusion. The truth is not objective nor subjective, as the subject is really just a special type of object. No duality.

Was just about to say, Bentinho Massaro is the one you’d want to consult for this particular issue.

If @Flowerfaeiry were any more beautiful, God would get charged with unsportsmanlike conduct. Excessive celebration perhaps ?

There is no connection. Yeah there's a surrendering aspect but there's also a take no prisoners aspect and the taking back of your authority. When you're 100% responsible for everything that happens, no one is responsible, so surrender and searching can kind of go full circle anyway. Yeah.

Everything can be known = nothing can be known. Again, words...

As I said truth is all there is. Nothing can be known. The concepts are not the direct recognition. It is too simple to get

Meh... I didn’t get enlightened. I stopped. It is direct. Truth is all there is... It was never born. i.e. nothing can be known

Only “advice” I’d (very lightly) suggest is don’t wait. Seeking false enlightenment is seeking a state so good that it’s impossible to not want it, and impossible to understand that it doesn’t exist. Perhaps avoid that trap, as you’ll be waiting forever. It’s all about stepping away from the belief that there are separate things (or just things).

Fear of death/change/unknown. You sort of get used to it when it becomes obvious that there is nothing to fear.

Still and train lightly and diligently the fine control of the attention. Then inquire and feel: What is true? Turn away from the untrue — you might as well not assume that anything objective is outside the untrue. What feels good?