The0Self

If that appears, then that’s what appears. Has nothing to do with the reality that nothing ever happens twice. The past is an appearance, it’s not real, so of course since nothing has ever happened before, everything is always new.

No thing is everything, and everything is no thing

There is no other, but there is also no one. There is no my body / your body. There is just no-thing appearing as everything, including bodies, as well as this, that, past, future, plants, awareness, relationships, etc. Everything is no-thing and no-thing is everything.

No. However, all bodies, and indeed everything, are actually not separate objects that could be connected or made any more whole and complete. There is no separation or context between or behind anything; what appears.

This. Not to agree or disagree, but as a great example for pointing to what appears when, in the appearance, reality is being apparently created on the fly. It’s all just the ride appearing as a journey.

There no I to have or not-have anything, including one body, much less multiples...in the past.

Anything to keep it real.

Right on! But I’m afraid the radicality is absolute: You’ve also, for instance, never been to this forum before; never seen anything before; never drove a car; never brushed teeth; showered; woke up in the morning... and yet miraculously it appeared to happened. It just didn’t happen to anyone, and it didn’t actually happen. It was (there’s no was) very simply the ungraspable appearing as that.

@WokeBloke It’s part and parcel of the illusory experience of the self (things are really happening to me, the I who is present and aware here and now), to hide the reality that nothing ever happens twice. These words have never been said and will never be said again. I understand it can and does seem like that’s not the case, within the story, but that’s an illusion. Everything is new. Just apparently describing this.

It doesn’t. There’s just boundlessness appearing as everything without beginning or end. The same thing never, ever happens twice — it’s only part of the illusion (of things really happening) that anything ever does happen twice. Everything is always absolutely new; constantly and unrelentingly full-on brand-new. That’s the first and last time those words will ever be typed. Ever! As with everything else...? ? This is unbounded eternal infinite chaotic absolute ungraspable unbridled completion. Infinitely empty of life, and equally (infinitely) full of life, timelessly. Already.

Things can appear as more or less real than others, but: absolutely real is absolutely unreal. Experiences/circumstances can appear as more or less special than others, but: absolutely ordinary is absolutely extraordinary; unknowable ordinariness = unknowable extraordinariness.

@justfortoday The first time I became aware of this was several years ago while I was driving. It was a very profound experience. Have you found anyone discussing this topic in more depth? It actually can go further than that, still in the dream but progressing up the story of consciousness expansion — in the same way that the universe appears to calibrate itself around you continuously, actually much more than that is apparently calibrated... The “causality bubble” is also recalibrating itself around you, such that the past is continuously imagined as what it must’ve been in order for this appearance “now” to make sense. All of it completely impersonal and without condition, meaning, purpose, value, intention, or limit — which is why there are no bounds for what is “calibrated” as described; everything that could be thought of as real is only an appearance, and the status of reality, if it could even be known that there were one, is utterly unknowable and infinite. ...Total story btw, as there’s nothing other than what appears, and by necessity... but that’s what can appear to happen.

It’s indescribable but the closest description is: there’s only what appears to be. It’s like oh yeah there’s just this. Special/not-special duality collapses, as does knowing. Suddenly no one knows if they know or don’t know — there’s just no one left. Nothing added on, but the aspect of the collapse of special/not-special could be described as breathtakingly ordinary. There was never anyone who knew or did anything. Everything is the same, but loss is no longer real loss; gain is no longer real gain, as there’s no one separate from this to lose or gain anything from this, and there’s no fixed “this” anyway to actually gain something from. It’s both too real and equally too unreal, to do anything with — there’s nothing separate for it to be relevant to. There’s just life, typing without any reason, purpose, or meaning behind the appearance as it seems to be.

Liberation is the end of wondering where I go from here, or how I got here -- the end of questions. Without questions, there is nothing which can be answered. Mystery, but void of anyone who could be mystified. The truth that can be told to someone else is not the truth at all. If God-realization or anything else happens, then that's what happens. You seem to be pointing to what can appear as the lived-reality result of God realization -- a state of detachment and seeming unity with everything. There is already no separation to be unified. The unity consciousness is part of the dream setup too. Not saying that recognizing this would be any better for survival, it would just be the recognition that there was never anyone who did or didn't realize God or do anything else; there's only boundlessness appearing without limit, which by the way miraculously doesn't actually have any need for anything whatsoever, including causality, context, meaning, knowing, or even making logical sense.

For substances: surrender and community.

That's what's appearing to happen there. That's what's longed for. This is actually simultaneously/timelessly as simple and as unimaginable as it gets. The ordinary is the extraordinary, and real/unreal are not two -- that cannot be seen by anyone, but it's all there is. No one is separate; the knower is an illusion. There are no real stakes -- only the appearance of them... and that statement is misunderstood if it seems to have any affect on the unaffected appearance which is all there is already. There is no Godhead. There is no this. There's simply what appears to be -- singular, empty, and without other. There's just what's happening, which is everything. Yes the finite view is very helpless. It's the appearance of looking for the unknowable without knowing that the unknowable already is all there is.

? love it Though I don’t really think that’s where he’s coming from. No clue lol. It’s all practically a joke anyway lol — one that no one gets.

Interestingly, occasionally the day after LSD-25 I would have a slight headache, and I don’t think I’ve ever had a headache outside of that, and drinking a lot as a teenager... Haven’t used it in probably close to a year now. Haven’t had a headache since.

I dig what you’re saying, but you didn’t hear the communication. There’s no you. No one who suffers. There is only suffering, or happiness, or anything.

Total story-telling: It’s actually not different at all. But you’re coming from a position apparently deeper in the story than God realization. And if I understood you, you’ve indicated you have no idea what it entails (if you haven’t used psychedelics it’s almost not possible for you to have a clue about God), but I could be wrong. ? Who knows where he’s coming from... Could be pointing to the insubstantiality of everything. Maybe we totally misunderstood him. ? It’s probably just a bit more likely that he just has no idea, but in the end it doesn’t matter.

Reincarnation complicates this timeless singularity. If you die, you won’t be able to tell anyone, including yourself, what it’s like. And the one who dies will be recognized as never having been, so no one dies. Reincarnation is a story for the continuation of the I. Everything said about it is completely just story telling. If memory-continuity is not maintained between lifetimes, clearly no one reincarnates, this is just what appears, and its nature is as veiled as time is experienced as real.

The difference between a being a human using logical deduction, and being God creating the universe with imagination timelessly as a lived reality? ? You’re not serious are you? Well, now you know? Lol Where your mind is seemingly at now, will not understand anything talked about here existentially, so perhaps ignore all of it. ? Just messing with you. Not personal. ? God-realization too, is a dream. But you know nothing about God realization.

It’s just what’s happening — it’s not about you, it’s fulfillment. The suffering is unavoidable, thus there is no suffering for someone separate who could dream of something else, unless there’s apparently the dream of that, in which case, that’s what’s longed for — nothing; everything; unknowable; non-objective. It’s already done.

Because of lots of meditation practice, objects were not as flashy as my self, whatever that was. Objects were ignored until none were left (advanced meditation skill). And the subject was alone as God. Looking in at its creation from the outside. That was still firmly in the dream as the witness. That’s how it sometimes went. But other times it’d be totally, almost incompatibly different... It was just an apparent journey up the dream of god-consciousness, that’s all. Has no significance. Sure, you’re God... A God completely unlimited by qualities or meaning or knowability of any kind at all. A God which both is and isn’t. A God that can’t know you. This God is nothing, being everything. The desire to call this God faded away as it was recognized that to use a profound word like God is almost disrespectful compared to calling the unspeakable something very simple like “this” ; “life” ... Or “table”...