The0Self

The formless godhead is a concept — a name given to a particular appearance. When liberation happens, there is absolutely no sense of being located in or as anything, including the formless godhead.

There's no separation and no real time.

This can be kind of like a meditation retreat but for one's daily life routine. I've known seriously neurotic people who went to rehab or jail for an extended period and came out an entirely new person. One of them went in with an extreme skin picking condition and crack and heroin addiction (a naturally sweet guy whose neuroticism and addiction seemingly lead to him being sentenced for armed robbery) and then a couple weeks after coming back out, he was a personal trainer -- he passed away later on from a fentanyl overdose... relapse; first drug he'd taken in years... but that doesn't detract too much from the sentiment -- that he became otherwise non-neurotic, yet used to be very highly neurotic.

I wouldn't use more than one at a time, but the ones I've actually seen positive effects from include L-theanine, pregnenolone, and glycine -- Tried many others a while back including bacopa and none really produced much of a change in relation to those three.

I’m afraid you’re just not hearing me. If you being god is what’s appearing to happen there, then you being god is what’s appearing to happen there.

No. There isn’t a reality in which all that could happen. If you want to call the lack of a reality “God,” be my guest.

Nothing separates the 5 senses from each other, yet knowing functions to separate, precisely by connecting what is already not separate. This can make knowing seem special and paramount, and worthy of the label God. So awareness is reified and one recognizes they are consciousness/God. This is why some might say there is only one sense — God. But that is simply a state. There is no thing period, just formlessness being form.

Sounds like mindfulness (which I’d recommend to nearly everyone) not enlightenment (which is more like getting struck by lighting and thus I would not recommend). It can be pointed to in a lot of ways but really it’s very simply the end of the felt reality of personal doership. A lot can be revealed in that, including the revelation that absolutely nothing is solid or knowable, and there’s no real context or limit, and there’s no separation at all, only the whole. You know how most people who contemplate heavily probably understand that there’s no free will, yet they feel they have it? It’s the end of feeling like you have it, because there’s no one left to have it.

The thing that gets enlightened is simply obliterated, not made more awake or more conscious. If we are taking about the same thing and just using different words, God isn’t some entity — it’s absolute unbounded infinity without direction or purpose of any sort. The reason I refrain from using the term God is because it’s almost always going to be clung to as a real entity in the “higher states and stages of consciousness work” — it simply can very easily happen that people will think they’re God after/upon realizing they’re god, until the person is seen through. I realized I am God many times — they were still mystical experiences of ego transcendence. As you can probably imagine, God is a very likely resting place on the road to absolutely empty infinity. In the glimpses and god realizations, yeah there can be that indescribable timeless oneness, but then... when real-time comes back, there’s the reification of God as “some thing which I actually am” — all there is is all there is, and it has no solidity. It’s just pure emptiness, but nothing is needed so it’s very much unconditional love.

There is no thing period. And yet? Here it is! ?

There’s no separation left to run comparisons in. It’s all over as far as the real journey through time to some better place goes. There’s only unmoving wholeness and it’s over as it begins. “I” (story) wasn’t born in some past — not outside of a mere story. Everything is absolutely new and nothing has ever happened; there is no real story, only the appearance of one. Everything is no-thing appearing to be. No causality or other or meaning or context. Just boundless absolute “infinity-nothing” having no real limitation of any kind whatsoever, nor any need of any kind, including the need to know. Realizing you’re God is totally different, but can and does happen along the way. God realization is only an appearance. Of course, reality itself is only an appearance. There’s simply no separation — but that seems to mean nothing, right up to the point when it’s seen, which is paradoxically not a seeing... because of course it doesn’t happen — the very last moment before it’s seen is simply the last moment period. ?

Diligent relaxed bright un-distractedness on the feeling of air in nose and the breath cycle, with full body in background awareness, is pretty damn good by itself. Can get into lower jhanas in a few minutes with some skill (at least months, probably years) with just that. For me specifically, the sign that an object is working well is that the sensations feel sharp yet smooth — and almost like a solid block of heavy, thick glass whose flat surface contour is the appropriation of the object’s spatial dimensions (which themselves can later dissolve completely). And solidity everywhere dissolves to at least some degree — e.g. hands can feel like they’re 20 feet from your head. That dissolving of solidity can go so far that the self clinging to the object is released completely — generally quite scary unless a lot of joy in the background from stillness and relaxation.

At the moment your own personal enlightenment is released from possibility (taken; not by choice), the next moment never comes. Then depression can still happen, but without existential worry and without the expectation that things should (or could) be different.

That's one way of putting it. But it's rather radical (though simple) because mystical experiences no longer happen. It's sort of the end of "aha so that's how it is!" in any ultimate existential sense because existence itself (and knowing, and context) are seen to be illusory. Everything is breathtakingly ordinary. There is only the unknowable view.

Sure. It's just an appearance. However it appears is just as it is. It has no depth to it or truth beyond what it appears as. It's an empty appearance with no solidity or significance. Even the appearance of significance is not significant, because it's just no-thing apparently being everything that's appearing. And there's nothing outside of it, there is only wholeness, no real time, no real causality or context, and no real death.

It can go a million ways but here's how it can go, and it's perhaps not very likely that it will be this way for any particular individual. The stages are largely concurrent but the order is somewhat meaningful. 1. Mystical experiences -- transcend ego to a small degree. Insights such as "through me, reality imagines it is judging itself." 2. Bliss on demand -- relax clinging 3. Relax awareness of any particular object; totally detach from objects -- panoramic figure ground reversal -- Witnessing 4. No separation; field syncs up with itself and there is no hidden sensation appropriating itself as a knower -- there's only wholeness and nothing can be done to get closer or further away from that. 5. Entire field is a philosophical zombie in a sense -- nothing is needed for the empty appearance to be what it already is. No more mystical experiences.

Jessica Riddle -- Even Angels Fall You've found hope, you've found faith, Found how fast she could take it away. Found true love, lost your heart. Now you don't know who you are. She made it easy, made it free, Made you hurt till you couldn't see. Sometimes it stops, sometimes it flows, But baby that is how love goes. You will fly and you will crawl; God knows even angels fall. No such thing as you lost it all. God knows even angels fall. It's a secret no one tells; One day it's heaven, one day it's hell. It's no fairy tale; take it from me, That's the way it's supposed to be. You will fly and you will crawl; God knows even angels fall. No such thing as you lost it all. God knows even angels fall. You laugh, you cry, no one knows why But OH the thrill of it all... You're on the ride, you might as well Open your eyes You will fly and you will crawl; God knows even angels fall. No such thing as you lost it all. God knows even angels fall. Even angels fall Even angels fall

You and I are the same unknowable emptiness. This whole no-thing never moves and there’s no separation to it. There’s no us and no universe, only unbounded timeless infinity.

But it’s not that you are kissing yourself. You are kissing that which has the same source as you. There is no you or them really. There’s no separation and no self.

I don’t think about it at all ?. Since it’s the only thing you’ve always known, you don’t even know that you know it. No transmission even touches it. There is no you. This is simply the infinite.

Enlightenment is nothing that would ever be hoped for. And it’s all that’s longed for.

It's very inhumane to the animals, but it's also inhumane to the diseases it hopes to solve -- great for humanity, it seems. It's a double-edged sword, of course.

Definitely. Yeah the main thing I was attempting to add to your comment was just pointing out that if one can get to J5, they can probably quite easily get to J7, but certainly J6 which is essentially just a slight tweak to J5. The biggest jump seems to be from 4-5, and also 0-1 and 7-8 are big jumps.

5th jhana is a very high state for not using substances. As in maybe 1 in 100 people who have experienced both jhana 5 and a profound mystical experience on LSD will say they had a more intense experience from LSD. J5 is ultra mystical, of course not nearly as incredible as the collapse of time which can happen on LSD, or glimpses, but generally orders of magnitude more amazing than what came before it. But 6th and 7th are just a small step up from j5, in terms of the skill required to cultivate them... The big jump in that regard is between jhana 4 and 5, and of course also 0 and 1.

The answer is there is no answer, but that's not just a mere giving up -- there's no doubt in it, nor belief. Very, very obvious. It's absolute unboundedness appearing; nothing apparently being everything. As it's all there is, there is no answer nor reason to it, nor is there a question in it, as there is no outside (it's all there is) and therefore no inside... and it's always already whole and complete.