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@Vali2003 I appreciate that.

We are shaped by language, not arguing that. So much so that the work we do here is only possible thanks to it. If we want to communicate better then sharing examples is one of the best way to clarify and explain anything. This is not trivial, we learn with examples. @UnbornTaoYou asked how thing are prior to language, so let me take you to a visualization. Take the example of a baby growing up in a houshold with a family that doesn't speak ANY language. So as he grows up he learns to walk, he learns to tie his shoes, he copies how his dad builds stuff, he learns that getting close to a cocrodile might kill him. All of that just by copying the grown ups. And that was possible without language. Now, you want to talk about language then lets do so. I am glad this invention exists, it allows for a lot of beautiful thing in life. It propulses imagination and understanding. Instead of having me physically demonstrate something to you so you learn it I can just write it or speak it and you will follow it as intended. How amazing is that? What other things has that capability? Not many. And also it is so broad and universal that you can talk about anything using the same set of words. That is ingenuity at its finest.

Bad example, next one

How are you supposed to break the food into smaller pieces cleanly without fork and knife? You are throwing bad examples, wait until you have better ones and then share it.

Not only is not my case, but also add to that the fact that I hate running in the city, because you have to be much careful with the traffic, and you have to stop constantly because of red lights, and that running in nature has no rival in terms of awesomness. Although the adrenaline of running in the city has its own flavour.

That's cool.

@UnbornTao These are some examples of communication. Where do you see language there? You can command something just by the way you look someone in the eyes. Does that enters your definition of language? No, but we call that communication. Holism is communication between the parts. A part is not the whole because it lacks the connection with the other parts.

You are making such an evident mistake. Communication can obviously happen without language. I gave some examples but you're fixed with your belief. "Language" has to exist first by necesdity? No it doesn't. Unless your definitions of language goes beyond words and symbols.

And it takes so much time with the other person to create a profound sinergy. It is possible, you just have to cross a big river.

It is not too complicated if you are a runner. If you only walk then it is not big deal. If you live in the big city where the whole ground is pavement you need shoes with big ass suspension when you run or your tendond are going to scream in pain. If you have lots of area with earth as the ground then you're built to run over that shit without much problem. I always made fun of thesd kind of shoes, until I moved to the middle of a metropolis and started a jogging habit. The pain never goes away and you need these shoes. Right now I am on vacations and back in my small hometown which is connected to nature everywhere. I run there even harder and my feet feel delicious.

Haha, but the point is not always reasoning... I believe communication is more fundamental than language. And language is just a refined medium. I say some good stuff but it is very often dismissed.

I just care about God realization.

And if you're consistent with those values then we say you have integrity.

I liked Greene's Mastery way more than 48 Laws

Nausicaä, the manga by Hayao Miyazaki. Splendid masterpiece, it is like Avatar but better

And that is to say language is a lesser degree of consciousness than telepathy. We use language because we are too dumb for telepathy

You are assuming people use language for expanding their consciousness. Laughable.

In music when you compose a melody you try to play with a simple idea. Then you rotate it verticaly, horizontaly, you transpose it, you can stretch it, you can create two voices of it. You are playing with symethry, it is literally drawing if you write in musical notation. It is like geometry. Math is not different.

That's sort of what is happening in this thread, we are developing a deeper idea of mathematics

Jeez you really need to learn basic language. You guys are really lacking in practice. Or basic education.

Novelty fades away quickly

This is a cool and fun exercise/experiment. Most of you may know that if you only see with one eye you cannot perceive depth. The exercise is as follows: Lie down looking to the ceiling and close one eye. Spend some time there and you can start perceiving the ceiling hyper close to your eye, as if it right next to you, and you can switch to the oposite and percieve it as far far away. Like kilometers away. You can percieve it being 1000km away as if your looking at the surface of a planet. Following the same idea, turn around and look straight to the surface below (your sofa or floor) and just open one eye. Wait until you see that "little" space as a giant room!!

Mathematics is like drawing.

That is because I have a bias and I like the content of this particular language. But I throw a lot of possible answers not as definitive but as examples, since you need to cover a lot if you want to know something. But I think there are better qustions like: what it is to be a human? Is a language just a feature of being a human? Or is it a feature of consciousness? What is higher order than language? What comes before language in cognitive development? What would destroy a language? What cognitive function is better than mathematics? And worse? (In terms of intelligence) I had an awakening where I saw everything is imagination. So I undertand mathematics is not exeption, it is just pure imagination. Now the contents of it, I do care. Probably because I was constantly forced to learn it during 13 years, but also because I like it.

@Michal__ This is more like a contemplation, it takes time to shift your perspective. So it shouldn't matter much.