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I have been interested in entering the first Jhana for quite sometime. I wouldn’t say that I’m practicing diligently or constantly (last year I had an injury that completely interpreted my meditation routine), but I practiced meditation -focussing on the breath with labeling - for almost 2 years not skipping any day, but really haven’t had any interesting development. I also have a difficultly focussing on the breath where the lips and nostrils are, and I’ve heard that Jhanas are difficult to reach if the object was belly movement. how long did it take you to develop in your practice?

I'm starting to develop a liking for the detached approach SD yellow has, it's necessary to roll out the suits and the corporate face in order to find solutions that maintain good cooperation between different levels of development. what this guy fails at is making it clear what he wants. open mindedness to no end leads to problems. I think he is not aware of that.

I’m half the way through watching this. I’m feeling afraid for my Yellow values now … This conversation is showing me the shadow of my previous beliefs, I see that the green lens shows no nuance what so ever, it’s amazing, I can’t believe how dumb I was to be led to believe those value memes like I almost had blinders. poor guy trying to convince vaush to be more compassionate yet, being attacked from all corners… like yayks ! I can also see how hard it is for Mr.Girl to not go straight away to SD and exploring his positions from there as an exit point. incredible honesty! Edit: I think we are not certain that mr girl is stage yellow or tier 2 thinker. The only hint I saw of him was when he says ‘value system’ thats one aspect of yellow. But could be just an open minded guy who found a niche to make a channel about.

@Bioclassifiers I saw a thing at 00:49. It’s kind of fast and skippy. Are you saying that you saw that for a longer period and pulled your phone out to try to capture it afterwards?

@Nahm aha !

@DocWatts ( skimmed through the article) Aren't they also taking into account a large number of immigrants and/or working class ? I get that the numbers are worrying, but the fact that the US is an immigrants country makes a lot of people who come to the US both 1) adult 2) not proficient English writers/speakers ( probably due to not being educated within the US school system). I've worked with many people to count whom I would say where either non-English speakers -yet are working- or barley making it. I would assume that they where also comfortable not working to improve their reading/writing skills, just because the US allows this somehow. I literally know a person who complains frequently about how she can't communicate well at her job because of her poor English, yet she would not take no one's advice to try and turn on the news or watch a sitcom for example to improve her English.

@Nahm if I read this correctly you mean the more you allow a thing to take it's natural course the less of a problem it becomes ? if I took all the Un in that equation it seems to say : suppression, value, purpose, meaning = shame for the human to win.

@Preety_India I feel motivated to say this, but my first post was me about to tell you to explore the world view of green before you debate and look for people here to correct you. You’ve got to live the full experience of green before venturing outside of it and finding weak points in your world view. It just won’t work if you are just getting into green. If you feel like this place is to orange, or too rational, or maybe you think there are a lot of thinking but no feeling or community. That’s probably because it is amid to challenge you. I have the same feeling about this forum: it’s not early-green friendly, but also my own personal feeling is that its an old format website - not like reddit where you can actually have communities of interest- so maybe this issue should be discussed with moderators or Leo. I modified my post later to give a general advice. But I’ll leave it to you to decide which post is better.

I think stage yellow is the one that finds solutions and finds a way to create a path of cooperation between the different stages. it’s not necessarily the one that has ‘compassion’ towards each stage but we could replace that for ‘understanding’ - it’s a small difference in wording, but I think compassion means a true ability to see oneself in someone else’s shoe and completely inhibit their perspective, which has too be highly integrated thing. I think stage turquoise is where that comparison and the humbleness starts to manifest. (I could be wrong, but thats how I understand the process so far)

Trying to apply the concept of Learning by finding distinctions: stage blue shows denial for: god does not exist. stage orange denies that spirituality is important, or science can’t answer all questions, or profit does not equal happiness. what does stage green’s denial look like moving to yellow? How does yellow show green that he/she has built a house of cards ? I’m not asking what tigers green, but what has yellow going for them that green either a) secretly wants b) can directly show green how they are not questioning themselves and/or blindly excepting ideas and beliefs ?

@Preety_India ego calling is a problem like I said. It’s tricky, you have to be the judge in each and every different situation.

@Preety_India Some of what is being discussed here in this forum are very deep interpersonal teachings, subjects or techniques. On top of that the whole self-actualization thing is about looking at one’s ego, you know, that thing you don’t want anyone to see or find out about. Once you have this combination it’s easy for someone to be knowledgeable but kind-of arrogant and, ego calling can be a thing, where else where thats kind of not normal. you really have to take self responsibility here, and listen to people (here or outside of this place) that resonate with you and help you personally. For example I still listen to a stage orange-green monk every night before I go to sleep, and even though his approach is simplistic and doesn’t touch on the complexity of the teachings here, I get a lot of benefit from him and enjoy his talks and it helps me live my life my life happier. I only listen to Leo and/or this form to broaden my knowledge, learn new ideas, when I’m in the mode to discover something new. Or to keep things on the back burner so that i can use when It’s relevant to me. if you just exits on this place because “it’s the best place, and it ofer out of the world insights’” your kind of insisting on only going to a two star michellen restaurant and not eat anywhere else if you get my metaphor

@Loba // this is a bit of a rant but I hope you enjoy it, I kind of tend to spew out my thoughts so I can capture as much meaning as possible that I can communicate, please let me know what you think : I love this this is so insightful, there are a number of reasons why I see green getting stuck: 1) getting stuck with gurus/spiritual teachers that gives them no way to ascend up the spiral, and focus only on the 'Now' and present moment. No mention of self-actualization work, being yourself and/or finding your purpose, what you like about life and how to meet your needs, largely (maybe) because those who seek spirituality form super-star gurus are almost all rich and/or famous, who can afford being in those retreats and are wealthy individuals who has there needs met not by integrating it form lower stages but from possibly being fortunate and they are at green so yeah how else will they not be stuck? 2) people who are born in places where anarchism, relativism and/or post-modernism already present in their society or where they live, they have no idea what living with blue red or purple means, they tend to glorify purple, be either confused scared or tempted to be red and view blue as backward traditional and/or too goody-good and brush them of as delude or unnecessary to society. completely backward way of thinking relative to SD other ways green get stuck is by 3) being too emotional too utopian, this is definitely not how green thinks of themselves but it is the truth and I can attest. for example: Rebel Wisdom which I really am beginning to like and find insightful are a vMEME yellow creators, they can appear as 'A Jordan Peterson cult' as so many people think of them, and I get way green would think that way, just the fact that they step upon subjects dear to the heart of stage green like psychedelic and treat them with a careful mind and an approach of a rational person says so much about how they respect what they are doing and willing to inform people the right way without spreading misinformation or over hyping a subjects, but that alone makes green go crazy. because it's a sacred topic to them that is not allowed to be discussed or looked at from another perspective, 'only green knows what they are talking about when they talk about psychedelics' that's the attitude of green claiming knowledge! only they know and anyone else doses't knows what they are talking about regarding this issue! 4) another problem is the lack of humbleness, I guess it takes a lot to become green, and that's why you don't feel like going back down the spiral and integrating your shadow stuff I'd love to have more conversation about how to transition from green to yellow, for example my response to lmfao was in a way saying ' well how does green find out how to move to yellow if they don't know a yellow person to tell them what to do or where to look ?' like seriously why would I know or dabble in systemic thinking, control theory or ken Wilber work if I'm not already aware of it some how, or super really wanting to find a solution to problems that I'm ready to would look anywhere for a solution!? how the hell would I know these subjects or where to look assuming I'm green and not doing self-actualization and not aware of a Leo Gura ? it's tough and no wonder a lot of stage green people stay in stage green. BTW, I'm either infp or enfp. I've heard that these Myers–Briggs Types come form Carl Jung and the not very well known reason behind them: is to find a way to transcend each letter of your type, by working your way out of each letter and not be stuck with the idea that you are one type rather than another.

I wonder way Alan watts is considered yellow, meaning I can see how he is considered turquoise but when has he had yellow period in his life ? anyone knows of any material or video of him stating yellow values ?

I wonder If this is a prelude before you release your video about scammers, These people are extremely sneaky and know how to be tempting to college kids and/or inexperienced people looking for a way to break into making money and stating their own business. They are a mind disease, I remember wanting to put a lot of money on one of Tai Lopez crypto scam-course, I'm just happy that I didn't at that time.

this is sobering for someone in stage green such as myself. it's so hard to believe how much group think stage green engages in, even-though it likes to think otherwise. This hasn't been obvious to me until I started following your work.

@Jacob Morres yeah basically, throwing phrases such as "you must think that this country is such a crazy place isn't it". She was too heavy and felt like she couldn't comprehend why I would choose to work where gay people of color would work.

@Carl-Richard mine is 'you cannot call me a racist!' that's very true, and green is very unaware of this. while working a shift I met a supervisor who held the same liberal values of me but could not fathom that I came from a third world country. it ended up reviling so much of her and other crew members inner judgments towards me. I stood still in that job for two years, I cannot believe I did it, but I defiantly got to see the hidden face of stage green thinking people.

@DocWatts pre/trans fallacy was a big one for me! I had a life-coach/spiritual teacher which I labeled early green, that was convinced that enlightenment was returning to the original state of being an infant or a new born. of course that wasn't also clear to me until I learned about ken wilber's pre/trans fallacy. Most of what you mentioned doesn't sound like a part of my world-view anymore, but do you mind clarifying what Game denail is ? I'm assuming you meant Game theory which I'm also ignorant of, but why would Stage Green disapprove of it ?

@lmfao My concern with this thread is how does this happen naturally ? (the jump from tier 1 to 2) even though I see the limitation of green-world view, I cannot tell what would make green move to yellow. I feel like I have been listening to actualized.org enough to be moving towards yellow, but have I not encountered Leo's content I'd probably still be judgmental and emotionally driven green. One good example is your post: now have I not been interested in yellow kind topics, the possibility of divergent thinking or deductive reasoning would not register for me.

I thought of this question as thought experiment to challenge out our egos in this forum: would you work for Facebook if you where offered a decent salary? Why? Or why not ? I think answering this question can give a good idea about how your ego works. for me: no! Even if I was offered a good salary. I know that I would struggle to quit in say month, if I so decided to do. Meaning that I would drag myself to at least stay there for a year or more, to justify “having gotten a job at a big well known company”, and that would suck! I much rather be paid less rather than getting a job that I don’t like and having to boost my ego and lie about liking a job that in actuality I don’t like. what about you guys? ps: you don’t have to be a developer or a marketing manger or whatever to work at Facebook, say you can choose a role that you like, and you can see a chance that you could be creative in it and gain some experience. Would you still take it?

I’m just grateful for Leo for going and taking the vaccination himself before posting about it. Integrity and leadership is a good thing. I wasn’t going to get a booster, but I guess i’ll use my privilege of being able to walk-in with no appointment to the pharmacy next door and get my free shot, and not cry like a baby.

this model is about ego awareness and the trend towards self transcendence. it has nothing to do with how smart you are. however a strategist should be able to have more self awareness, more willing to learn and better at abstraction, planing, and has better emotional knowledge, but that's also relative and not a sure thing to say.

this means you are above opportunist. you can't have a government in that has form of democracy if the whole country is at this stage. this is pre-christian pre-islamic barbarian stage. if you are talking about islamic society and morality that's diplomat. Your original post makes it clear that that's where your society is at. form my own understanding of the model I'd say your an expert: reading the theory can help you move up and see your blind spots.

@Mesopotamian where would you put yourself or your country on the spiral or Ego development stages ?