Happy Lizard

Hello, I have been struggling with adding and removing values form the LP course value assessment exercise. Like I’ve actually spent a week at least thinking about this. basically I keep finding and removing values and adding values and I’m either 1 value over or 1 less. I have some values that share similarities like Art and beauty, wisdom and spirituality, But at the same time they are each a bit different. I feel like I’ll miss a value or add a value by mistake if I don’t get it right. Am I overthinking this? Would appreciate your help.

Thanks everyone, this has been helpful!

@mmKay great idea! Thanks! I think the explanation in the course is too short, kindof unclear what is the pourpre or how to know for sure this is a value that defines you. Its just too quick.

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I think it wasn’t obvious that you were posting the video in an attempt to show “a side” of the Israeli society, they way Leo posts videos on his blog for example, but instead it looked like you were saying this is how a natural Israel looks like meaning this is the everyday Israel. its like you posted about the amish community in the US and said this is what a neutral America looks like. You said it has no propaganda which was true and I though it was “neutral” in the sense you where not saying Israel bad or good but just showing one side you found interesting. I think @Nivsch was a bit sensitive/jumped too quickly. Ps: I thought they way they speak Hebrew is nice, I like languages. I think @Nivsch you should post what you perceives as neutral Israel as you live there. I’m both interested in general and just to see what side of Israel you are you most exposed to.

@Bernardo Carleial I’m wondering what healthy values can someone looking to integrate purple get from that stage? Also I wonder why is it that purple seems less violent than red? I’ve been reading the book The World Until Yesterday, and even though it tells horrible stories and facts about wars it seems to me at least that red are more violent or harder to live with if that makes sense

@Nivsch well idk one should ask why would they support Hamas to begin with? It doesn’t make sense.

This potentially a bad advice. I took a whole pill after trying half a pill Multiple times thinking I could barely feel half a pill and a whole pill would be worth a try. It was very unpleasant.

They condemned the attack when asked, and apparently they received a call for aid to Palestinian not actually hosted them based on this article: https://www.reuters.com/world/south-africa-says-it-discussed-aid-with-hamas-leader-denies-reports-support-2023-10-18/ "We do not have a bilateral relationship with Hamas... Support for the Palestinian struggle against occupation does not equate to support for Hamas,"

It is very brutal.

I had the same experience, modafinil in package and all. Yet it doesn’t work on me the same as you describe. I’ve experimented with a whole package probably by now, every time I take half a pill I do feel like I’m having some better focus or some creative Ideas but I doubt that this on it’s own is what you described in the nootropic video. when I took a whole pill once it was very unpleasant unlike a half a pill, I probably not try it again.

@Nivsch great, I had a sense that you are perceiving the criticism for the Israeli government as criticism for the people. I believe in your society too and in all what you say, and for this reason exactly I think you should be taking the position of a targeting campaign or less distractive war. It’s tragic and criminal what happened to your people. my view is that the situation is not simple. It’s a challenge for all of us even people not in that geographical location to hold what is happening and see all parts.

I was thinking to myself, since I don’t personally know any Israelites irl. I could not find a frame where I can have an Israeli friend. Since i’ve worked with Palestinian here in the US, and I know some Persian people; It will be so out of frame for me, and the reason is your government that gives your people a bad reputation. See this a problem that you all should be concerned about. I don’t mind Israeli people at all, and I know that my Persian friends are not anti-semites, even the Palestinian - but they do hate your government- yet because of the policies of your government and how shielded Israelites form the ugliness outside of your boarders this will/already does isolate you and will have other people that see you unlike you see your people. How do you know now with this war that more people will start to avoid knowing you? I’ve seen so many nationalities against this war not just arabs.

@Nivsch form all of what I read form your posts I see a clear dislike/hate of Arabs/Palestinians. This is rendering your judgment/view empty. what use is all the facts if at the end of the day if you just can’t stand the other side? You are also conveniently putting all Palestinian and Hamas in the same bucket making all the victims “their” people/property. Could there not be a bias here and is exactly what most in this thread have been pointing out? Ironically this is making all your facts and worldview highly emotional with the same flaws you’ve been pointing out in the narrative of the other side.

@Vrubel Hamas are terrorists thats my stance. We can see that form a far yet for the people on the ground, how do you know that they are not under a propaganda? Have you seen any documentaries on north Korea ? These people makes you sad. You are trying to wake me out of western morality, but have you considered that Gazans are not living under a normal western-like society where you have the freedom and the necessary condition and education to refuse Hamas or choose a position ? In such societies you can not even see any other possibilities. This is not defending their position, nor do I believe that all Palestinians truly and unconditionally support Hamas. And I overall can very clearly see the evil of Hamas, but for the Gazans that don’t … is it just to kill them by the thousands? By this logic any country that is waring with north Korea has the right to wipe out all north Koreans, as there’s supposed very strong evidence that they all unconditionally support their leader. no sane, developed and self restricted government should carry out a massacre like this.

I don’t think anyone with a functional moral campus or a critical rational mind cant see how leveling down a city for the purposes of killing a relatively small number of terrorist while massacring a population is not vengeful dishonorable or defendable. This is sick is what it is. there was a debate in the beginning of this thread and this war that Israel is on a higher level as a developed as country therefore it can be trusted to carry this war. “They would have nuked Gaza if they were not” yet dropping a nuclear weapon is just a means to an end, it doesn’t matter if the damage happens over months or over night if its in equal level.

A medieval siege would be unthinkable/shameful at a stage yellow/integral thinking world in my view.

We know that there is no relationship between waking up and growing up, otherwise every spiritual teacher would have been Turquoise which is not the reality. What drive current and last century spiritual teachers to grow up to Turquoise? Sadhguru, Osho, Mooji, Shinzen Young Osho can definitely pass as yellow seeing his personal library, truly inspiring. Shinzen Young too. But what about Mooji ? He was a typical green before his awakening. Sadhguru the way he tells his awaking story he seems like he was a typical business owner stage Orange guy "me and tears were impossible" - Sadhguru. Anyone sees/have any insight on this?

Idk Osho and Sadhguru have comments that definitely puts them beyond green, not just spiritual talk but comments that show their level of development. My theory is that they just go through the growing up process faster than most people.

Umm .. yeah

@Leo Gura This is exactly what I’m wondering, how come these spiritual teachers at Orange and Green grew so fast to Turquoise? Why would that be thing for them? It makes no sense to me expect for Osho since he was book worm and university professor I think who was possibly at Yellow and also into spirituality.

I was just watching this yesterday lol. do you think a non chemist can pick up this method and make LSD, or will LSD manufacturing will always be reserved for people with chemistry degrees + ?

How about a objective opinion coming form Jewish journalist living in Jerusalem, who wrote a book about the treatment of Palestinians under the Israeli government? https://youtu.be/BHNRG-LPI-A?feature=shared This is a remarkable and eye opining interview and it goes on speaking about what might happen in this war, Breaking Points are doing a great job. He also speaks about how the Israelites are oblivious to the lives of Palestinians, And how now even the left center of the Israelites are incentivizing this war because of how they have been kept protected form all these realities for so long. It’s very relevant and just explains so much of what I’m seeing in this thread, I encourage people to give this a listen.

Current day Arabs (possibly 25s and younger) are all for secularism some atheists or agnostics. Lost of 35s and younger are in the closet seculars — and that’s majority speaking. You will find people and lifestyles that astonish you in the middle east. I mean you don’t have to take my word, look -deeply not superficially- at Kuwait, Jordan,Lebanon Emirates and Egypt. If you are digging in the wrong places you will only find what you presume is already the case. Television, Internet, social media and the more and more digitized the world is and the more and more information are accessible — add to that just how many people in the middle east are learning english now, and you will see a jump into secularism powered by all this technology in no time. This is something Ken Wilber talks about: How once a technology is found/designed/made be a higher level in the spiral it’s available to all levels. Most people in Arab countries Finnish college and get a degree, colleges are government subsidized, even no college grads have technical jobs and are way smarter people than the people you’ve got in the US. It’s actually astonishing to the world how stupid some Americans are in comparison to the norm in most countries.

@Breakingthewall well this is a strong bias against Islam and muslim/arabs in general, and not saying that as an attack on you. Just saying what you are pointing out lacks some imagination for a possibility that you cannot see because it has not yet happened. For example before airplanes where invented the idea of them sounded ludicrous, yet human imagination prevailed as we all can see. Islam and the Arab fell significantly backward in it’s spiral development after the Mongols attack. We have to be open minded and Imagine what if the same thing would have happened to the Renaissance period Western world with the Mongols? How destabilizing that would have been. It would have probably sent the Western world a level or two back in the spiral. It’s just a matter of imagination, Islam was knocking on the door of orange but we just can’t imagine that with the current day mental pictures that come to mind when you think “islam”. How will that change ? Well it will change when economical factors change, I’ve had this conversation before, even with Leo but there seems to be a very strong Idea that Muslims/Arabs can not develop to beyond blue. here’s one example of how Egypt is has developed on the Spiral: https://youtu.be/-Xc1b1L_Qhc?feature=shared Of course this can never be convincing unless you are willing to mingle with a good number of Egyptians, but you can just count it as one account of what is possible in theory.