zurew

This same argument could be used for yoga and meditation too. But you are right in that to claim there is a direct causality between psychedelics and awakening is really hard to prove. The same goes with meditation and with other spiritual practices too. But how much we can explain psychedelics away if enough people start to say, that "the very first time i used psychedelics i awakened". We could say that, "but how could we make sure, that that person really awakened and not just pretending it or misunderstanding something"? Of course that is possible, however the only way to collect data on this is by people sharing their subjective experience. Also, lot of nuance is possible. If you do this certain practice like that it may help you awaken but if you do it in a slightly different way you won't. Again this could be said for any method or practice. But, if a lot of people start to claim that it was because of psychedelics , then there is a claim number ,where we can say that there is at least a correlation, if not a causation. If thats the case, that a lot of people claim that they awakened using psychedelics, then we can't say that all of that was because of coincidence, because there is an underlying process going on that must be investigated and explained. The only way to really make sense of this, is to collect statistical data and compare them. But its really hard to collect data on how could psychedelics can help you awaken, because they are illegal almost everywhere. But we shouldn't forget this: "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". I don't even know how much statistical data is about how certain spiritual practices could help you awaken. The people who would do the comparison and the people who would make their conclusion and experiment and research would have to understand what awakening is really about. Also, we can use time to investigate this. For example, people who claim they awakened from psychedelics, you can ask them when did they take psychedelics, and how much after that did they awaken? Because if all or most of them are saying that it was directly after using psychedelics then there is at least a correlation if not a causation between using certain psychedelics and awakening.

Think about it how much more clarity have you gotten so far, from us collectively discussing this topic? I don't want to pull the zen master card here,but I think that me answering your questions (or anyone answering your questions) just makes you even more confused about this topic, so i would suggest to investigate it yourself. Note, that I or anyone here could be deluded. Please don't give your authority to anyone (Not even for Leo).

God isn't anything/anyone who is different from you. He is You. You are IT.

The only problem with this is that this assumes an objective structure to your dream. Everything is constantly changing in your dream including yourself. The minute you start wondering about the structure and about yourself that very act is affecting your dream. Perceiving and creating happens simultaneously. Whatever you call actual reality, is inside your consciousness. Just because you imagine that you can't change it, that does not mean, that you can't change it.

You don't know that, how would you know? Do you understand just because its impossibble to know, that != There isn't any. The whole point is "verifying stuff in your direct experience". How can you verify something in your direct experience, if it is outside of your direct experience and you can't escape your consciousness, because everything is in your consciousness. 2 Absolute solipsistic bubbles can't know about each other. So it doesn't matter for you, if there are any other solipsistic bubbles or not. Its just a possiblity that can't be verified. Literally nothing changes, your dreaming will go on for eternity.

Exactly, just look at Eckhart Tolle.

???? how the fuck did you come up with an idea like that ??

All the infinite finite parts and at the same time the Whole. Thats why i said you are the parts and the structure as well. Yes, follow this advice. @machiavelli

Whatever i would answer here wouldn't really matter for you. If i say, ohh yes i have my own conscious experience, what does that mean for you? What does that mean for you if in your dream a dreamcharacter says that it has agency? Its still a dreamcharacter after all. The same goes for the opposite ,what can change if i say that i don't have any agency? I would be still a dreamcharacter in your dream. Whatever i would answer the conclusion is still the same. I am You.

If you were awakened to absolute solipsism you wouldn't ask your dreamcharacter (me), if i had my own seperate experience or not.

I am You, i am not seperated from You, because i am in your dream (remember anything or anyone in your dream is You) There is only just your dream, and you can't break out of it. When i say there is only just your dream, i say, you cannot experience anything else just your dream, you cannot escape it, you cannot run away from it, You are IT. But at the end of the day, you shouldn't believe me, you should test it and become conscious of it. Contemplate on your own, have you ever experienced anything that was outside of your Dream/Consiousness?

When i say infinite parts, i mean you can divide yourself up as many times you want. If you want to divide yourself up infinite times, then you will imagine and experience of that. You can divide anything up as many times you want to.

Yeah and i would say even more radical than that. Because you Yourself are an Absolute consciousness, you are dreaming everything up, everybody and everything including yourself (thats why you cannot be pinned down, because you are nothing and at the same time everything, You are Absolute, and You are God) Everything is you in the dream. You are all the dream characters, you are the sand, the rock, the trees, and you are the whole dream structure itself (So you are all the infinite parts and the whole at the same time).

I don't think he achieved telepathy. He said that he doesn't know if he has achieved telepathy or not (because everything is inside your own dream). He said that he absolutely become conscious of the fact that he will never ever know if there are any other Absolute Gods. So thats why he said that there is a possibility that there could be an infinite number of other Sovereign Absolute Gods (which would be basically a 100% clone of you). But that claim cannot be investigated because of the nature of God. You have the ability to dream an infinite number of other Sovereign Absolute Gods, but they still would be part of your own dream.

Yes, and this goes for you as well. If there are any other Absolute creators, you cannot access their dreams,because you can only use your own dreams, so you cannot possibly know if there are any other Absolute creators. This was the point of Leo's video. You are capable of imagining an infinite number of other Absolute creators, but they would be still part of your own dream. However, because you can't escape your own dreaming you can't possibly know if there are really any other Absolute creators just like You (Because that would require to be able to step out from your solipsistic Absolute bubble, and thats impossible, because you can't stop dreaming). God can't stop dreaming, and can't escape its own dream. Thats the only limitation God has. In your Dream/Reality everything is You.

It always depends on the context. If i would be in a situation where i think that the girl would harm herself or the girl wouldn't be capable of handling the breakup, then i wouldn't want to initiate it. If i would be in a situation where i know exactly that our relationship doesn't going anywhere, and i know that she could handle the break up then i would initiate it, even though it would be tough. When you think she wouldn't be able to handle the breakup the only other option you have is to guide her to break up with you, if you really care about her wellbeing. Its manipulative, but and the end of the day you need to decide what you value more (caring about an other person's wellbeing, or not being manipulative) ----> Of course this is tricky, because i could be totally wrong in my own understanding about the situation. I might think that she isn't capable of handling a breakup, but at the same time she might be capable of handling it.

That you are as an Absolute God, you have your own experience, and that experience is being constantly created by you (just as your own self is being constantly created by your own self), and no other can tap into your Absolute experience.

Yeah, and the same time he said, that he cannot possible make sure if it was his own imagination or it was outside of his imagination. Because those two cannot be seperated because of the nature of consciousness, and thats why its so fascinating.

If you are God , the only way to make sure of it, is by investigating it yourself. Who else would tell you, that you are God?

Your universe only contains You, because you are Absolute. But what limits god to make an infinite number of other Universes?

We can call them reflections if that word sounds more suitable. Yes.

God is Absolute, everything is God and part of God. But if God copies its own Absolute self an infinite number of times, what happens? What happens, is that those copies can dream their own dreams seperate from each other. These Absolute Gods cannot know about each other, because the Absoluteness of their nature is limiting them to do so. They cannot escape their Absolute consciousness so they can only interact with their own Absolute/solipsistic bubbles. Being Absolute comes with a cost, the cost is that its impossible for you to know if there are other Absolute copies of you.

Or both at the same time. GOD is super paradoxical in its own nature. Its not either or, its both.

Because God in singular/Absolute in his nature, thats why its limiting him to know if there are any other singular/Absolute minds. Because the minute he would try to become conscious of those other Absolute minds it would immediately become part of his own mind. And Every singularity can only interact with its own Absolute nature, can't interact with anything else.

Because its super fascinating and mind melting, that even God who is Absolute and infinite has something that he cannot possibly know.And that not knowingness will stay with him for eternity.