The observer

This is circular reasoning (early Orange and below). You're proving your model is true according to your model. You're dismissing all outside insights and putting them all in one category: "wrong". Our insights are not necessarily to prove or disprove your model, they're just observations from multiple subjective points of view. And I'm sure we're not on the same page when we say "approach". You probably mean intention but we mean the way this intention is manifesting in the real world. You can't have an objective view if you keep denying different ways of interpretation. Accuracy is not usually gained by circular reasoning but by open-mindedness and careful observation. I would look into the mechanics of creating models before starting to make conclusions. This sounds like a late Green/early Yellow approach which is great in terms of SD.

@UnconsciousHuman I think your approach here is Blue/Orange. You seem eager to prove your model is true and universal and you don't seem to be able to get what others are trying to say but rather you're conveniently deflecting and denying every other way of viewing or talking about your model. I think @lmfaomade a good point. It's not just about the model itself, it's also about how you relate to it.

But Leo, haven't you watched your Absolute Infinity series? ? I mean, of course, a human being is a different form than a toilet paper but that's just appearance. Aren't they both infinite in essence? Where does the human begin and the toilet paper end? Besides, aren't there infinite depths to the being of form? Like for example infinite zooming capacity (cells, organelles, atoms, quarks, strings, etc...). The forms do change, obviously, but the change is an infinite chain, so every single form (appearance) is fundamentally both finite and infinite at the same time, regardless of what state of consciousness it is in. Right?

There's no luck, but there is gratitude or jealousy. A grateful person is unable to feel jealous and cannot fathom gratitude from a jealous person's perspective. And vice-versa for a jealous person. Jealousy is not a problem for the jealous, they're comfortable being devils, they're comfortable being themselves. Ignorance is bliss. However, when a devil awakens to his devilry, it's like when a vampire comes out to light. He has to burn in order to become pure, so he pays for it by dying. There's nothing new about this, it's just evolution and giving birth to new form. Labour has never been an easy task. Some things have to die in order to make way for new things. There's nothing bad about jealousy per se. It's rather simply 'outdated'. You're where you are because you've paid for it. No one point of view is actually better than any other. It's just a matter of perspective.

That you are just a limited human being and not infinite God. You used to deny that, and I don't mean it like that, of course you had a deeper understanding than them, but the point still stands. It's like you've come back to square one after a long ride.

Do you realise that many people have been literally saying this to you for the last 3-4 years? Do you remember how you used to answer us? What's changed? You seemed to have broken out of the limitations of logic (the mind), so why limit yourself again?

Reading patterns is no ordinary thing. Some people are simply gifted. That's what differentiates between explicit-oriented and implicit-oriented minds. If you are able to read between the lines, man, you are gifted with quite a power! Most people get lost in the appearances and overlook the essence, which certainly has incredible power too. Being immersed in the content makes you forget (unaware of) the context. Your survival (pragmatism) hinges upon being immersed in the content. Then again, the quality of your life (well-being/inner peace) is determined by the degree of your awareness, i.e. of the context. So, apparently, both work hand in hand to create the best life. Although, ultimately the truth is that neither of them really has an effect on anything since causality is an illusion. But, hey, enjoy the illusion while you can.

Well, somebody had to do it. ?

how is form finite? where are the limits exactly? can u point to them? or are u just imagining limitations?

except that it can. do away with all the logical explanations. infinity is not logical. ur not bound by any thing but urself

ye of little faith how do u know for sure im not gonna be able to lift it? sounds like ur giving too much trust to the dream rules u forgot to count that they could break at any point for u. rationality distorts truth ur imagining a human being with human powers and a rock to lift but thats all an appearance which is ultimately not true and maya. look past that i am a human being who cannot lift that rock and i am the land on which the rock is being lifted dont settle for being less than infinity

@Leo Gura this discussion reminds me of the old omnipotence paradox. can god create a rock so heavy that it itself cannot carry? what if god is doing just that every single moment without any one realizing? haha hard to believe but still true. god is both finite and infinite and it exists and does not exist all together and at the same time. impossible does not even exist for god he created impossibility and broke it

close ur eyes theres no pie no slices no pieces. theres infinite potential dont get tricked by the manifest feel what u are u are infinite and boundless. its impossible to communicate this through language but u can know it in no mind and with no mind i dont mean no thoughts but rather i mean unlearning everything uve ever learned. infinite finite pieces etc are all categories which can never capture the essence of the present moment (i have to give it a label for communication purposes) however capturing the essence is something and it is limited but the essence itself is something else and it is unlimited at all times. u are absolutely infinite and its maya to believe otherwise. limitations only exist in thought.

@Emerald its a matter of perspective u could think of god as infinity or u could think of him as zero but in reality @zeroISinfinity hahaha hi man just thought of u and wanted to send a ? @Emerald the point is theres no god nor infinity nor anything these all are just thoughts so unless u identify with them theyre just appearing inside of u b cuz theres just u. period.

as much as i love this advaita stuff i also love personal connection ???

u will when u surrender to this fact ???? good post

@Moreira sounds like a typical ego backlash theres no need to worry about it in fact it can help to steer into the skid and stop resisting and see where that will get u. after all its a quarantine and i dont think it could get worse

it was both. u said "I think you know you’re way past deflection & projection." but those things didnt even occur to me until u mentioned them so u were thinking something about me and thats ur assumption i thanked u for it even though it sounded to me like unsolicited advice and guidance so no im not worried idk wht u mean by this. care to elaborate?

why would u assume that? wheres the deflection and projection? this right here makes me assume that u got triggered by what i said in which case i would apologise and confirm that it was not my intention. u were discussing with me about freedom and im convinced that my realization is absolutely true so im speaking with confidence thats all im claiming to have an understanding which u deny that its true and im claiming that u can verify it for urself. ive done the penetration or more accurately later on ive surrendered it and realized what ive realized. if u want to find out that was my experience ur free to use it however u like. i didnt ask for ur advice or guidance and i didnt say im confused about anything but thx for that anyways ur a kind person

@Nahm so ur yet to awaken to freedom. limitation is a thought but freedom is not it is actuality. in actuality theres no actuality b cuz actuality is a thought and of course theres no thought unless u think so. when theres thought vs actuality theres limitation and im pointing beyond that. freedom is meta

love this one!

hahaha sneaky one indeed but no freedom is the true nature of everything its not opposed to limitation it is the nature of being infinite. it is equal to love in a sense just another facet of god but i was trying to make a point

ur assuming that this waking state has a ground (ie is real) as opposed to the dream state which is grounded in this waking state (ie is unreal) but where is this ground? just b cuz u wake up here does not mean this is the ultimate ground we will die eventually and this ground will vanish so wheres the ultimate ground? ive never taken a drug and ive concluded that reality is love. its not about the drug its about identifying as a human being and having stakes in the game. of course from a human being pov reality is not love b cuz love is just an emotion but from a unattached unbiased pov things become clearer and u realize the truth b cuz truth is unattached and unbiased so u cant say reality is anything unless ur neutral

haha no offence but i think cat pics (or idk what that is tbh) are a little weird

i would say experiencing contrasting states of low concentration and such and also talking about things and experiences with other ppl. the latter will make u realize where u have special abilities as u notice others lagging behind and also u can see where ur lagging behind others when u listen and speak so #1 contrast and #2 socializing whilst being authentic and vulnerable especially with authentic and vulnerable ppl who share ur interests