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I understand why you say what you say but can I put some exciting ideas to you.If you stay within the duality mindset only then you will remain in the robotic mind set.The inward thoughts that come into your head can be good;bad;indifferent and are sent to us via our 2 off brain computers.These are different types of thoughts to outward thoughts which are generated by you consciously (in the united consciousness state) or subconsciously (in the split consciousness state) .Our consciousness state does get split if we disappear into our head.We need to come out of our head as well into the UNITED consciousness in the moment state.If we are Robots then a thought is just data and should have no impact on our emotions whatsoever.The practical reality is that thoughts do have an impact on us and so there is more going on than meets the carnal eye.As I have said in previous posts....imagine a circle...split the circle in half and then put yourself in just one half of the circle and split your being again.....then completely deny to yourself that the other half exists...this is your present mindset/belief system if you don’t mind me saying.As I have said to Leo...for neutrality to work you have to accept the possibility that a God exists that is separate to you as well.You can play the part of the devil if you wish.The reason I have given you the GAP concept is to try and explain that you need to see your self as separate from thoughts.You will then get some perspective of the... i am.You have to think 3 part being not 2 part robotic being.Well you don’t have to...but...I got nowhere with the the 2 part being.

Reflected further Leo...apologies for my blunt attitude.We can agree to disagree can’t we.Peace to you.

My understanding is that you are not thoughts...you experience inward thoughts and you create outward thoughts.You can prove that you are not a thought by meditating on the GAP that exists between thoughts.When you do your meditations...rather the focussing on the thoughts turn your attention to the GAP between your thoughts.Embrace the SILENCE within the GAP more and more .You need to create this space/division...you will then come into an awareness that you are indeed separate from your thoughts.You will then be able to distinguish between inward/outward thoughts.

Infinite...united..and separate persons who are in complete agreements with each other. How this works out in practice is for each individual to find out for themselves for an eternity.

God is united with himself...however....God consists of 3 separate parts....not 2.Therefore think in 3 part not 2 part (duality).Only then will you be able to come to terms with the physical body....soul...spirit and come into a better understanding of your own make up. I tried 2 part for years and its totally robotic. That's why I'm bored with the debates that go on in this forum. Move on!

Truly infinite....beyond comprehension....the is ...was..... and is to come.

yes I would.

Nahum...Love is the answer...God is Love...but you have to accept the possibility that you are not God as well.You have to have a balanced mind for true neutrality to work.I am not here to fight with anyone....I am here to try and help those that want help. First point..Robots don’t know emotion...it’s just data to them.Its so easy to defend any counter arguments on this forum ...that’s how so out of touch it is.Things have moved on far more than this.Drugs and mushrooms won’t resolve that either..You will still end up with your robotic tendencies/philosophies.The reason for this is anyone can disappear into their head in ONE WAY unbelieving (unbalanced) meditation with or without mushrooms and see really deep things and probably even do what would appear to be miraculous things, but at the end of the day you will still have your robotic lifeless/pointless tenedencies .....you won't be able to change that. Second point..The real God (which is not any of us unless that is you want to remain a robot) provides real answers...Thoughts are a real problem...I.e the combined visions and voices.You have to control them.You become much weaker if you disappear/live in your head.Thoughts can dictate to you rather than the other way around.You have to stop being taken in by inward thoughts.The EGOS of the these 2 computers is something we are so impressed by.We therefore follow them blindly.A thought is always a character/voice.You need to split this up...create the gap between the character/voice and only engage with the character as purely an ANCHOR.You are not a thought.It applies to all thoughts.

By get control I mean....having parts of your overall nature separated.The reason they need to be separated is because if your soul is not separated from the physical body it will come under the influence of the spilt consciousness state (hence duality/double minded thinking).By get control I mean learning to block the robotic thoughts that dictate to us.By get control I mean coming into the full awareness that you are not a thought...you just create outward thoughts or experience inward thoughts from the computers in your head (A silent gap between yourself and your thoughts needs to be created in order for you to realise this fully).By get control I mean you need to ONLY engage with the You character but NOT the You voice if you want to remain in the neutral (no thought) consciousness state.By get control I mean learning to control the stress levels that your body experiences.By get control I mean experiencing stuff for yourself and not believing any other person EVER..including me.Experience things for yourself.Trust NO ONE ultimately as we are all flawed.This is real practical stuff....I’m only interested in practical stuff now as I have got the “stuck in my head” one way only deep thinking bull sh*t tee shirt ....and believe me and it’s not a tee shirt I’m proud of owning.

There are voices (thoughts) In your head that you have to stop listening to...This requires great insight...You should only listen/follow the voice of truth.You have to cancel out the duality voices that peddle the right/wrong and wrong right belief system.Believe me this is possible.You can’t just stay in one (dark) half of the circle pretending the other (light) half doesn’t exist whilst you are neutralising.In other words you can’t deny that there is a God that is separate to you...Period.Peace...

I’m just exercising my robotic tendencies to try and prove a point.Robots don’t have emotions...Stop reacting.Peace...

I am fooling around a bit but to only highlight a serious point.You can’t take the view that there isn’t a God that is separate from you and then claim that you are God.You have to accept the opposite view as well as a possibility.That is why Leos views are biased and unbalanced.Can I ask why you are even getting upset? The information that we are passing back and forth is just data to the biological computers.if Leo’s theory is correct you shouldn’t be reacting/getting upset.

Believe me...I’m not fooling around.What on earth have I said that does fully comply with the general philosophy/teachings in this forum?

There has to be an Ego that counters the other.Im just making using of that Ego.

Leo, I dare you too take on either the Real devil or the Real God...which ever is your want...This is where the real duality battle is taking place....You haven’t even joined the battle yet.

For me your thinking system is too one way and biased...It’s not balanced.I suppose there has to be this type of thinking in the overall equation though...so your thinking system does fit in.

Reflected and totally disagree, sorry Leo.Been there got the tee shirt.I’ve see far greater insights than that.

Ok,I will reflect on what you say...thanks.

That is interesting Leo that you say that.I can only go off my personal experiences...My nervous system creates tension in my physical body which comes across as a feelings to me as well.I spent years daring myself to go and check if things were true but then one day I decided to try something different...wipe the slate clean.I do still think deeply by going into myself but I am now trying to come out of myself more and more.Thinking too deeply all the time can consume the individual.I am so much more grounded now by my change in direction and still finding answers ...for me anyway.

The nervous system is not just about thoughts.... for me it’s also about feelings within the body as well.What is a thought? Other than electrical signals in the brain.My view is that rightly or wrongly it consists of a “you” character and a voice.We appear to engage with this character and voice during thought.My view is that in order to remain in the silent buffer for longer periods we need to engage with just half the make up of a thought I.e. just the you character.SILENCE the voice.Does this make any sense?

Hi Leo...can you explain a bit more

Yeah ...I agree.Making a permanent connection with this state of consciousness or initially at least knowing where to find it and sustain it is good step in the right direction....I.e. we do need to learn more about and embrace this silent buffer so that we can get more control of our nervous system.This feels good.

Thanks for this.Peace to you my friend.

For me there is the real you presence...then comes the silence (which I interpret as the gap silence) then comes the thought.There is a real peace which grows the more you become aware of and embrace the silent gap between your thoughts.The nervous system can be a real challenge however.

My view is that we are not thoughts...we can either create them (outward thoughts) or the physical body (brain computers) can relay information to us (inward thoughts from our memory banks) ....like music being played back to us that we were listening to the night before.SILENCE is the buffer between us and our thoughts.We need to notice this silent gap between the real us and our thoughts and then fully embrace this silence more and more.This silence is the GAP that we need to become more increasingly aware of in order to make space in our mind.