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@Preety_India So sadhgurus business is also orange? Sadhguru claims his business is only there to fullfill its job (selling YOGA) His statements are not turquoise. Most gurus don't use turquoise statements. Turquoise statements are for example "everything is a hallucination", "The self is God", "existence is nothingness" Leo Gura uses turquoise statements in his videos about enlightenment. "life is a dream", "The self is an illusion" etc. He is making money from his products fine, Yes that's orange from a simplistic perspective. But that just proves that money corrupts his yellow teachings. Dalai Lama is fully enlightened and still has a fortune of 140 million dollars. I am not saying he is turquoise but YELLOW. Yellow doesn't mean philanthropist or Humble.

@RendHeaven Sadhguru debates orange and blue people. And he is probably the most turquoise public person I know of today. Survival IS yellow AND turquoise. I am calling it a debate, because it is what it is, his point is to share his view, not to win an argument, which people from the entire spectrum do too, from blue to turquoise. Rationality and philosophy can also be yellow, he is a systems thinker. But I get your point, explaining blue and orange things into science (neuroscience). It however doesn't mean he cannot take another viewpoint. Philosophy is Yellow. When he talks about religion he criticises the blue people and not the "finger pointing towards the true nature of the self", he himself believes in the true nature of the self, which is turquoise. A turquoise/yellow person can also be a scientist. Materialism works in the hallucination we are experiencing. rationality works in systems-thinking. What perspective should he have to be more yellow? I believe I am more turquoise than him, but to be able to rationalise things and explain systems as good as he does it is phenomenal. I also believe that it might be easier to be turquoise than yellow. Stupid people with a good guru can be turquoise. Stupid people with intelligent philosophers cannot become yellow. He doesn't debate turquoise people, I would love to see that. feel free to link it to me if you found something.

@Dutch guy It says general anxiety not social anxiety. Of course relaxing the Body while meditating relaxes the mind. But it also increases awareness. So during social interactions (you obviously don't meditate) your notice your fear stronger which fuels the fear in a vicious circle. Believe me, been there done that. Yoga nidra doesn't solve Social anxiety. That's my view on it. If you find the same proof specifically with social anxiety I will shut up. Cold showers and wim hof breathing helped me too, but you know you cant take a shower before every social interaction.

@TDW1995 Was your social anxiety there before Meditation? Because Meditation increases your Awareness of your Body and emotions. For example you realise how much you sweat you blush etc. And being aware of that is a vicious circle of fear realising that you have fear increases your fear which fuels adrenaline which fuels fear. Enlightenment cures your social anxiety, but its like building a nuclear bomb to solve a rat infestation problem in a house. You can do it, but maybe it would be smarter to work on your social anxiety to make your life easier first? Enlightenment is not an escape. If shoots everything up until you surrender to it. If you want to do both, I recommend Shadow work, shadow work helps with social anxiety and it is absolutely necessary for enlightenment. Also, there is nothing wrong with social anxiety therapy or even psychiatric help like medication. If you force awakenings, your fear of people will be replaced by the fear of the nothingness. (Dark night of the soul) It is like quitting smoking by replacing it with heroin. It will work instantly, but the fear of the nothingness is so bad, that you forget about social anxiety. Been there done that. So I recommend: Shadow work, psychiatric help. You can take pills that take away your social anxiety instantly. Don't just take pills, but do the psychological work too. Combining both gives the best results. If you continue meditation, this will increase your growth drastically, your psychiatrist wont believe it. Meditation on Infinity take all your fears away for a while too. It worked for me, but its not the best/fastest way for social anxiety.

@TDW1995 Have you already had small awakenings? If yes, then social anxiety is the first ego backlash the result of the lower self not willing to see the self in other people. It was for me, after the lower self won the dark night of the soul.

Hello, tomorrow I will have my first sensory deprivation tank experience. I plan to meditate before and just prepare myself to let go inside the tank. How can I make the most out of it? I have already meditated on Infinity been through the dark night of the soul and my Kundalini was activated a few weeks ago (dormant now). I would love to have an awakening inside the sensory deprivation tank, because apparently your heartrate slows down and so does your breathing... What if I fall asleep? How can I stay fully awake during the experience?

@Javfly33 Best thing to increase awareness is meditation with concentration. If you are able to maintain the formless this will also increase your awareness, it depends.

Its probably the breath of fire that makes you feel that way. Continue until you feel energy doing weird stuff in your Body, this strange energy awakened my Kundalini. You can also try the Wim Hoff method, its even stronger than the breath of fire.

Hello Guys, I know that some of you (including me) are currently experiencing or starting to experience Kundalini. A lot of people go through Kundalini without any knowledge about it and it is pretty terrifying. There is apparently a lot of misinformation about it on the internet. A lot of people who raise Kundalini go through intense suffering, because they are not prepared and the energy is cleaning them against their WILL, which makes the suffering even worse. Another reason why Leo should do a video about Kundalini is, that a lot of people misinterpret their Energy. A few years ago I had energy shoot up my Spine and I thought that it was Kundalini. I see a lot of people like me who didn't have Kundalini think they had Kundalini. Believe me, even if the snake (the energy feels like a snake slowly crawling up the spine) moves just a little, you will probably feel sick, and high for days. Kundalini is also borderline magic, it can heal you physically AGAINST YOUR WILL. After it rises up you will be in heaven when shakti meets shiva. It can be transferred and channelled from Masters to Students. (What I heard) When they go down the spine afterwards there will be enlightenment. Hindus think Christians call it "Stairway to Heaven" (my new favourite song btw) and replace shakti/shiva with angels. I also believe that Leo doesn't talk a lot about the physical aspects of spirituality, like chakras. Opening and cleaning chakras is kind of easy and heals you mentally and physically to some degree. I have a lot of weird energies in my body who seem to sculp my body, vibrations etc. My Question to you guys: Have you experienced Kundalini Awakening before, or are you in right now? Have you also (like me) misinterpreted the energy shooting up the spine as Kundalini? Would you also like Leo to do a whole video about Kundalini? My Question to @Leo Gura : Are you in a Kundalini Awakening right now? What do you think about it? Is it worth a whole video? Is it possible to become enlightened without the nervous system, is it just a by-product of awakening? Or just a facet of enlightenment?

A few weeks ago I had a realisation Leo told in his videos all the way back for years. It doesn't matter if you take psychedelics or meditate or do self inquiery. I meditated and did self inquery as an ESCAPE from reality, but enlightenment-work is the OPPOSITE of escaping reality. Its basically a tool for facing reality faster. Escaping reality creates attachements to the meditative experiences and to the psychedelic experiences. If that works for you and you already saw some things, while using it as an escape, reality WILL eventually hit you in the face and then you will have no other choice but to face it. The second I decided to counter-intuitively do Self-inquiry on the "soul-pain". Infinity showed up and took away all my fears for a few days. I believe that a lot of you guys are/were in the same situation as me, and turning around in circles because of the fact that we escape from something. That something might be the breakthrough for a spiritual experience.

@Javfly33 Distraction from Pain in contrast to focus on pain. Every time something comes up, I focus on it. It makes a huge difference.

@Javfly33 A distraction from the pain/suffering.

Hello guys, TLDR: Weed put me in the dark night of the soul (infinity, timelessness, nothing seems real (DR), dying sober, nothingness), and I am so terrified of uncontrolled changes in consciousness, that I am not able to take small doses of psychedelics/weed and anxious about Kundalini changes in perception too. How can you guys help me overcome this? I am somehow experiencing infinity since I am a child, maybe because of genetics. Mystics would say I was a mystic in previous lives. I don't know if it shows up once I am suffering, because I experience it during fever at night, and was somehow trapped in it as a child, even after waking up. My mother of course didn't understand what was bad about a random neutral dream with infinity. I am not conceptualising infinity, because I experienced it shortly before my Kundalini got activated this year during meditation. Without suffering this time for the first time. That's when I realised that its not the first time I experience infinity. When I was 16 (I am 21 now) I didn't feel that good because I felt the infinity and wanted to ground myself with a cigarette and decided to smoke a blunt (weed) instead. What followed was a panic attack with lots of weird energies in my Body, time standing still and this lasted for hours. The following 6 months was some Dark night horror. I was sober and died every day(evening). nothing felt real, and I believe the feeling of "I am nothing and people are just flesh-robots, there is no perceiver" is called the nothingness? That of course led to a existential crisis, and I am to this day trying to make sense out of it. The video "factettes of awakening" made me realise that I wasn't just wishfully trying to explain it as ego death, but it is actually more than one awakening at once. Weed alone didn't put me in there, so I don't think you guys should take weed and hope for formless things to come up. My best theory is that I felt the infinity before, and not having concentrations skills, the incredible fear gave me the focus necessary to concentrate. Now I can not take more than 3 puffs of weed because of the fear of the nothingness coming up, and wouldn't even imagine stronger psychedelics. I realised all the fears I had were based on the psychotic fears I developed from the "awakening". I was also really shaking and afraid the moment Kundalini started rising once I realised I couldn't control it. I am not afraid of the physical "pain" from Kundalini, but from the psychotic Dark Night shit that might come up. I tried to just smoke a little weed every day, like a few puffs, but I stopped once fear started to rise. Some medication that makes me high is also making me anxious. Benzos and selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors don't though. I have to face my fear of the dark night and I believe that you guys can help me do it. If I don't face that fear other fears will come up and in the end I will still have to face it. Note that if I end up high and panic a little, this will be counter-productive and probably trigger my Kundalini. So facing the fear head on might not be the best idea, but would put me right back into the dark night of the soul until I entirely give up. I heard that most people don't have hallucinations from weed, but I do have visual and acoustic hallucinations from it. Long before the dark night. My stoner friends would just say: Man don't think about your psychosis and listen to some music, it s all in your head. I would be eternally grateful if someone could just write down that miracle solution I have been waiting for years. Keep in mind, I want to face that fear and not run away from it like I did the last few years. If it is possible without going through some infinite-timeless-nightmare that would be great.

@Serotoninluv I also used Spirituality as an escape, but I needed to realise that escaping from reality is not the way spirituality works, I need to face reality in order to do spirituality. Now how do I find love? I found that praying for other people is making me feel some love? I don't know, but I am excited. Kundalini actually gave me a little taste of love for about one second when it rose up the first time. Just very briefly though. I need to be more mindful for when love shows up.

@Serotoninluv Yes I know that I need to slowly work on my fear, but I have no idea how. I had to work on minor fears like social anxiety, during the ego backlash, and what worked best was a step by step ladder like. One would be the things that didn't make me very anxious and 10 would be the most intense fear I can imagine. In this case 10 would be Psychotic Infinity + torture lasting forever and 1 would be the prana I feel in my Body. Can you tell me how I should approach that? I would just say, smoking a few puffs every day. EDIT: I just talked to someone who is enlightened about this: Dark night of the soul is the lower self fighting the higher self and fear is a lack of love. Simple answer which makes sense to me. Moreover I probably don't need drugs, because I believe Kundalini is waiting for me to be ready for rushing up again. My Intuition told me that love is the way.

@Serotoninluv Yes that's exactly what I intended to do. Microdosing weed every day and slowly getting used to the fear of the Dark night. Its not just a fear that goes away, the best I can describe it is, that even though the "trip" only lasts for hours, it feels like lifetimes when infinity shows up. I accepted Kundalini to slowly but painfully rise up my spine and fortunately, no infinity and no timelessness appeared. Its also not like climbing up a Mountain where to go down again. Its more like jumping out of a helicopter and instantly realising you don't have a parachute, there is no going back into the helicopter, you just fall faster and you expect the ground but never see it. Damn I just went deep metaphorically. The main problem is that the effect is not proportional to the quantity of the dose, but once the formless shows up with fear, there is no going back down. And if it triggers Kundalini, which is very possible, I will be in more Dark night stuff than I signed up for.

Even though that's just a materialistic observation of the brain chemistry, perception change sober if you take lots of psychedelics. Is that a good thing? What if you cant differentiate between the different dimensions of hallucinations? Why consider brain changing psychedelics, and not artificial strokes that changes perception of reality? People who experience strokes have a radical change in consciousness. Would you do that? What risks are you willing to take to achieve enlightenment? Why not commit suicide if you want to have no more attachments and want experience God? Because there is no way back into the hallucination? (the one you want to have no more attachments to). Why not go the Hindu way and torture yourself so infinity shows up constantly? I have experienced the dark night of the soul because Infinity showed up before smoking a blunt. Total detachment from reality, but not beautiful. True but dying (ego) every day is not something most people are looking for. Fortunately it went away after 6 months. I talked to 2 enlightened people about that. One has said it is changing the brain and different from actual awakening because it is just a memory (whatever that is supposed to mean), and the other (who used about every drug from the market 20 years ago) said its not making the progress go faster, but you risk being trapped in it. Dark night of the soul and uncontrolled visual hallucinations. I don't want to start a debate with this, I just want to know what risks you guys are willing to take. Is actual dying a faster way than Psychedelics to know the truth? If so why are most people not doing it? Because there is no way back I would assume. Being trapped in it is not the goal, or is it?

@Inliytened1 Don't worry, I am only stopping the path once there is nothing left to question, and nothing left to experience. Fortunately Leo s Video on the factettes of enlightenment showed me that I could experience infinite love. Apparently this is actually beautiful and not as terrifying as the nothingness. But only out of curiosity: Can I now be arrogant around religious people and tell them that I saw that I am God? (Just kidding) I wouldn't call it Void, I prefer calling it the nothingness. Its not like empty space... Your green pseudo suggests that you probably know what I mean. What makes me question the fact that the nothingness is not God is because people who experience God, apparently don't say "Oh the nothingness" or "oh buddha nature" but God. Nothingness is what I would call it. Infinity is also not distinguishable. There is no other word for it. Believe me, my Ego is fighting with fear as its main weapon. Back then when I experienced the nothingness it had no other choice, like the one second that was needed, Infinity ripped apart my ego by trapping me in infinite timelessness until it gave up.

@Serotoninluv Unfortunately we cannot flip the script if it has lasting consequences. We HAVE to have assumptions. Like for instance, that the Truth can be attained through consciousness/mysticism, and not through religion/materialism etc. And we can make the assumption that we don't hurt ourselves or other people physically doing the process. Some people draw the line before psychedelics, other draw the line after psychedelics, but without a line people will do evil stuff. Imagine people believing they have to be open minded to every possibility and their intuition didn't tell them to do psychedelics but to kill people and by eliminating other peoples consciousness they would increase their own (Or any other weird shit insane people do out of delusion). Radical open mindedness needs to be limited by actual actions, and needs assumptions too. I draw the line with not hurting conscious beings like animals or people. Taking psychedelics is risking to hurt yourself or other people. That's why we also need to put faith in Mystics like Sadghuru, the Dalai Lama etc. I have to clarify, that it s not the only reason why I am not taking psychedelics but because it is more than I could handle.

@Nahm Silence tells me to stop philosophizing about this stuff and shut up, there is nothing to do but silence. However if I listen to the silence there is no need to take action, try out any new meditation or even psychedelics, so maybe use the mind to find the silence?

@Inliytened1 Okay, that answer convinces me. I heard Leo talk about God being so infinite that he can only experience himself by limiting himself into the forms. I already had ego death experiences. So that's it? God is what comes after ego death? The nothingness? Everything seems unreal and there only exists what is perceived in the moment? Nothing outside of perception exists. I called that the nothingness, because I realised there is nothing there (No "ME" in my brain as what I thought previously). No perceiver in people. Really terrifying. Just pure consciousness/perception and nothing else. I was okay with calling that the nothingness, but if people call that GOD, then it is kind of... weirdly disappointing. I heard about people post awakening being disappointed. I find it also hard to believe that the other formless thing I experiences was infinite consciousness, because that just overshadows everything during meditation, but there is no point in starting a religion from that realisation lol.

@AlphaAbundance I had a few awakenings, Is that what you are referring to as "enlightenment experience"? You are curious, so Nothingness, dying, Infinity, life is a dream were my awakenings. There are a few stages of enlightenment and liberation. Take sadhguru for example, he claims that he doesn't know how to meditate anymore, if he closes his eyes the world disappears. That's probably absolute enlightenment. I have talked to people who are able to only have thoughts if necessary, and able to perceive the formless within a second. Another guy just told me that he was everything, not explaining how or if he switches. Those 2 people I described STILL meditate, that's kind of enlightenment, Sadhguru is absolute enlightenment if what he is describing is true.

@AlphaAbundance I heard that too. So we are basically in a vicious circle controlled by karma. That thought gives me existential pain lol.

You can only achieve enlightenment if you want either liberation or the absolute truth. The rest only brings more attachment. Because The path comes with ups and downs. Now try everything that is necessary. Some people say psychedelics are the best way, others say psychedelics only make you remember the truth, and can do more harm than good if not done correctly.

@Dumuzzi Kundalini doesn't just stop apparently? Do you still feel the shakti energy in your Body? Do you feel like you are in Heaven, or did you feel in heaven after the snake crawled up the entire spine? I have talked to people a Person who enlightened from Kundalini. Started 20 years ago It seems to me that Leo doesn't understand that Chakras/Energy in the Body are not "just energy" but actually physical.