Camerong

Everything Leo said about the psychology of defence mechanisms when denied love is true, and it is happening that way, but why are they denied love in the first place? If we look at nature the weak participants to a large organism have always been brutally killed off. Animals in the wild born too weak to survive are left to die. Cells in your body that are too weak are eventually killed off by the body. The human race is a large organism, like the individual body has to preserve itself, so does the race. It keeps the healthy cells (human genes alive) and kills off the bad ones (seen in all of nature). Since women are the gatekeepers to sex, they are the selecters naturally making them hypergamous (selecters of the healthiest cells). While humans are naturally monogomas, it can't work that way for everyone considering the survival of the race through healthy genes. The reality of the situation is that it’s not that black and white. From looking at the predictability of nature, incels in humans are inevitable. Especially now considering the removal of organised social systems, ensuring marriages in tribes, and traditional and religious cultures. Regarding dating apps; on a big picture level they’re really just a exellerotor of wedding out bad genes and insuring the reproduction of good ones, since woman using them now having access to the top 20% of good looking men and mainly choose them only (studies show this) in large actually doing better for the race but not so much for individual men. theyre is also such thing as the hallo effect, to prove that humans subconsciously associate higher value to better looking people and lower value to uglier people. Seen as the most popular people in school are the best looking, same with actors, singers, people become billionaires just by being good looking and conversely there’s a popular video and YouTube that some guy made about his experience being ugly, contrast his experience to the experience of a model to understand natural societal value to the display of good genes. Hierarchy of cells health in an organism is basically being recognised and naturally ordered and it can be seen in the organism of society. At the bottom of this hierarchy compared to the top who is naturally gonna get the most and least love throughout they’re life and how will that compound to effect they’re mentality and worldview, what type of ideologies will they be most seduced by? ...exactly. Of course like I say it’s not that black and white. I used dating apps as example but that’s just a subset of dating where the conditions of selecting a mate are very specific. I am of course coming from this looking at it from a more animalistic perspective considering the predictability of nature when humans have the potential to be more conscious, and some are; progressing more past shallowness like seen in stage green. humans are more complicated then just cells in an organism and compared to other animals have the ability to have vision, learn complex things, problem solve, create things never seen before and most importantly have consciousness and willpower. In humans it’s possible to wilfully choose the degree of ones own strength rather then simply rely on and create an ideology blaming their determined strength as an individual cell. The degree of Awareness/consciousness and willpower is the key to liberating incels, but to say it’s imposiible for certain people to be doomed is very black and white.

@CultivateLove couldn't agree more I have the exact same criticism. He uses it too much as a lens and forgets to take it off. Some stuff he says is absolutely ridiculous which is why I verify the system for my self with it’s consistent self evidence proving itself to be correct in real life. If I was taught maths by a homeless man who thought the world was made of space monkeys it wouldn’t mean that I start taking all the maths that I’ve spent years verifying to be correct with a grain of salt. It wouldn’t mean that I would take 2+2=4 which has proven itself to be consistently correct throughout all my life with a grain of salt. Verifying for your self especially through direct application will wed out the uncertainty of whether a system is trust worthy or not. as far as what he says about enlightenment and the bible, yeah I completely agree he has no clue and he’s quite closed minded as he’s really just an average individual with the same consciousness as everyone else where he lives who just so happens to be teaching what I verify to be a pretty accurate system. Edit: my apologies for my retardation I misread what you said. Yeah I competition agree with everything you said.

@Leo Gura of course but there’s also an intelligence to be appreciated when looking at how these functions cause people to harmonise and how in the basic human form of social functioning there’s multiple ways that love is naturally expressed and received depending on the type and compatibility. Society evolves through multiple different domains of specialities for that to happen people need to function in specialised ways while harmonising with others, but also giving and receiving love in different ways with each type having their own way and when this fits together this creates compatibility and multiple different forms of experiencing love with perfect harmony depending on compatibility. Studying these functions shows the genius of how this all intelligently fits together. It’s like looking at a forest. The forest is full of natural systems that harmonise all the life to work together without fault. It’s the same with humans. We have relatively higher order functioning compared to animals naturally but that realm of higher order functioning can be studied to be a natural harmonising system just like in a forest. Its also not genetic. It’s just one in 16 particular specialities of functioning that are expressed. There’s interestingly a consistent certain amount of each type in a culture according to studies which is speculated to be because there needs to be more of a certain type and less of another for society to function as a whole. It’s really interesting.

@Himanshu Fe is not necessarily the love function. Fi is aslo focused on love. It’s just a different approach because it’s about what that person feels more than how others feel it’s nothing really to do with love. They’re both made like that so that two people can be compatible. Usually the Fi user feels a certain way and the Fe user can read how they feel and that’s a component of how compatibility works. If everyone were Fe users then people would get on each other’s nerves more than love each over.

INTP here been looking into this for ages all over the internet and have found that there are multiple different systems with there own theories and nuances that are all interesting and relevant. Ive been learning from this channel for around a year and a half and this one is by far the most advanced and a head of its time. This channel has completely changed my life and forever how I see myself and others including social interactions and situations in general. Make no mistake in thinking the info on this channel is the same as every over mbti channel because it’s miles a head of every other system I’ve been through including socionics. It’s given me an almost omniscient lens when it comes to reading all social situations and understanding myself and people I haven’t even met. I can’t exaggerate this enough because this is such a cutting edge system and when I saw this thread posted it would be a crime for me not to recommend this specific channel.

this dudes poem at least within explicable range sounds identical so what Leo says these days and was done 6 years ago. I found it and thought it’s gotta go somewhere cos it’s an awesome poem.

@WHO IS sounds like your suffering in your life right now and you are resentful of reality cos of it, could be completely wrong.

I’ve been doing that actuality technique that Leo once posted some time ago since my country went into lockdown in mid March. I started off starring at my hand or details in leather, or crumps and marks lying around. Then I moved into a spot in nature surrounded by trees starring at dead leaves. Eventually I started to gain the ability to hyper focus but be relatively hyper conscious at the same time. I got to points where I was like wtf this is real? Almost as things gain an extra level or realness, like pulling back layers of being asleep more and more. I do it for half an hour every other day or two, since my brain can’t candle that much strain of focus because it takes a lot. Recently while doing it I start laughing for no reason or feel intense waves of bliss, but also notice that my state seems to slightly change when I finish the sit. I decided I’d go balls to the wall and just hardcore focus for an hour. After I finished when my concentration lapsed I was walking back and realised I was tripping balls identical to a low dose of shrooms, I was on a very different state and it seemed to have a comedown with the feeling being identical to a trip as well. I was wondering if anyone else has had an experience like this where they are mildly tripping? Or at least had a very noticeable altered state after some type of meditation? Also, why does this happen? This doesn’t seem to happen for any other type of meditation. Only very strong focussing.

@Leo Gura I’m not demonising 5meo by making this comparison but the natural mechanism seems similar to that of meth or mdma; where you sacrifice contentment reached by uninfluenced aid to have that high. It interestingly sounds as though this is a similar case except with consciousness instead of a high. You have the dissatisfaction of never reaching that state sober for the sake of experiencing it through 5meo.