TheSelf

The experience of understanding something is satisfying thou you could understand something wrong doesn't matter, it's satisfying to understand something, It's like happiness, when do something to get happiness and you smile or laugh, you feel good, you feel uplifted, understanding feels uplifting and satisfying!

You could understand something right or wrong, but at the moment of understanding it, you know that you understood it, Understanding is not becoming more or less conscious, it's a different matter, though could lead you to experience shift of state in your consciousness, Understanding is not becoming aware of new information you didn't know, Imagine you have bunch of dots in a paper and you connect the dots to come up with a recognizable pattern, those dots could be information, and the pattern is understanding of it, though it's in your mind, that pattern could be seen and understood differently in another person 🤔 So what's understanding itself.

Exactly

Any specific figures you wanna talk about?

Generally speaking no.

True, cause spirituality is designed to keep you entertained in it's realm. As long as one is doing any sort of spiritual practice, he won't break out of the spiritual bottle, you could sit and practice for a milion year, still being stucked in spiritual realm.

I'm enjoying the game by participating in these conversations

Not any scientists, but some of them yeah For example watch this interview Sadhguru had with this scientist: and watch this one also, you'll be surprised:

Haha, this can go forever, Awareness is infinitely aware of himself. I can create another layer and call it The unconditioned love as if it's even beyond your The unconditioned!!

Let's forget about relegion, in Yoga we have Bhakti yoga or Karma yoga, if you know what these are I was talking about achieving a similiar experience and realization through these aids.

Okay, but mainstream science don't give a damn about spirituality or God, metaphysics, etc. they think of the universe or reality in physical matter and believe a complete understanding of what it is can only be achieved through the way they do science and their methods and instruments. Let me know if I'm wrong.

There's a possibility to lose yourself or reach awakening with praying or worshiping or doing any kind of act in which it helps to weaken or lose your ego, once that happen the reality will shine in your experience, you might get a glimpse of your true nature. It's simple.

But they do claim what the reality or existence is can be understood through science. And obviously it's not absolutely true.

Sorry for that model I should've said awakening not understanding, you can reach the truth through relegion also, through prayer or whatever. But I'm not sure, probably just some degrees of awakening.

Another way to look at it but close to the original model.

Right 👍🏻

@Leo Gura I had the same openion, but then I thought about it more and I think there are some religions which is close to non-dualism like sufism probably therefore closer to spirituality, sience couldn't be closer to the Truth than this. Sience can never understand the reality with physical instruments and it's methods. What do you think?

You didn't understand what the model is about.

Wrong, in general it could be inside the spirituality but never beside it. It's about which one is closer to the Truth, if you think sience is closer to the Truth by trying to figure out what the reality is by looking at the center of cosmos with big giant ass telescopes then put it beside the relegion or even spirituality for yourself.

Just to clear what the picture is represents, though its very clear It's about which one is closer to the Truth, which obviously spirituality is closer than relegion or science but even that is just something consciousness made up to keep you entertained, all the yoga practices, meditation techniques, spiritual figures, deities, everything is made up by consciousness.

The model is quite right about the relationship between spirituality and relegion, so no it shouldn't.

Inside the relegion in a tiny bottle with big head and the man is looking up at religious man laughing so hard lol This would be hardcore materialist atheist scientist

So this it what consciousness does: It imagines infinite boubles of realities or worlds in each infinite variety of ways with different complexities to reach the Truth, and its all just a game, just because he can Writing this while listening to "Parallel Universe by Solar Fields" quite trippy.

Doesn't matter how consciousness puzzle the game, it's all just a game anyway designed by The Architect.

It's not about pursuing abilities per say but the fundamental part of his work is those practices he offers promised to distance you or free from your genetics and elevate your consciousness, And you said no ammount of spiritual practices are going to get you this, which questions his main teachings, so at the end do you think he is genuine or not? Or how you see him and his teachings? What do you think he is? Having studied his work and watched many of his videos seeing him in hospital is actually shocking cause that means he himself is not there yet or he just tell stories and his methods probably doesn't work.