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Why don't you just take pschycodelics? that's pretty dangerous

I agree.

"I am looking through your eyes right now" clearly includes the Absolute and the relative so you cannot state that and then argue this with "you don't know because you are not consciusness enough, go and meditate/takedmt". Since the assertion includes the relative (separate sustances) it should be justified with words, rationally. Otherwise you better shut up and limit yourself to give instructions to meditation instead of give methafisical answers (that includes the relative) that you cannot jusitfy.

When you say "I am looking through your eyes right now" Aren't you dreaming too? You are using a lot of concepts (illusions) there: you are using words to begin with, you are using the concept "I", you are using the concept "looking", "eyes", etc. You are communicating through language so you are aa wrong as that materialistic guy is. You always assume you are speaking from some kind of direct-experice/high-consciusness POV but you are speaking, so it's not direct-expericene anymore. You are using words and you aren't creating that words, the words were socially constructed.

Can you remove body pain with positive thinking? No. In the same way, How could you change something that has deep roots in emotions like anxiety derived from child experience through thinking? Thinking is a game, it is silly stuff. The proof is that it even hurts you while you are sleeping, so it is not about thoughts and cannot be change trough thoughts. It is not a victim mindset, I studied pnl many years ago and test this techinques. I reach the conclusion that you can change trivial stuff but not deep feeling problems. This problems could be solved with corporal and shadow therapy which change your coordinates permanently, not with short term mind games.

Do you still agree with the "think positively" self-improvement idea, Tony Robbins style that you were teaching at the begining? I think it conflict a lot with the "accept reality whatever that is" teaching. If I feel anxiety because of a tomorrow´s job interview wouldn´t be better to just accet that I am a anxious person and I cannot change it instead of trying to turn the anxiety into something positive? It doesn´t work anyway, I don´t think I can swift my deep feeelings just with some positive thoughs, they are deeply root into chilldhood trauma. It´s not about thinkink, this anxiety accompanies me in my dreams, it is very rooted. The only solution I see is that sometime some trip, bionergetic session or something release deep shit and "change my operative system".

Probably he would start to question this: is it really important to build all this machines? Is happiness=material conditions? why am I spending all my life building that stuff? He would put less effort in his work because he is more sceptic about if it is really useful and Tesla would go bankrupt.

What do you think about working full time in something you don't like to pay the bills and then work a couple of hours a day in your life purpose/passion (which it is not possible to get any money from, maybe in the long long term)? Is it a path to disaster since your are putting almost all your effort in something you are not interested to? My career: accounting/finance My purpose (that what I have all the time in my mind since I was young and I think I am very good at): some specific fields of philosophy (theology, philosophy of history, history of consciusness, philosophical systems, etc).

Don't look for stupid rational answers. Look into your heart and you will see why compassion is the most important lesson. Even more important than contemplation. For the Buddha compassion was more important than meditation (it is not very know for the general public but can be seen in the early canon writings), also for Jesus.

Joy and suffer are the same. There is not joy without suffer. If you hypothetically were always in suffer, how would you know that? you wouldn't even have a name for it. It is necessary the pleasure in order the pain to exists. Enlightment is not pleasure. It goes beyond pleasure and suffer. If you are enlighten your are not closest to pleasure and fartest to pain compared to before. It is more like the pleasure is more intense and also the pain is more intense. The joy of enlightenment is a different kind of joy from sex, cocaine or whatever ordinary pleasure you can think of. It is the joy of being more aware of the suffer, not the joy of get rid of the suffer. Think about Jesus, he didn't say mediate 10 hours per day to get rid of suffer, he was tortured in a fuckin cross. The teaching is: suffer is the essence of God so accept suffer and love others. The deep symbolic teaching of christianity are far more profound than buddhism. God is suffer. It cannot be other any way. Terrible things happens sometimes because suffer=existence implies free will. It cannot be any other way.

Because without suffering God couldn't see himself. Without suffering there is Nothing. Something = Suffering. In the moment that Something arise from Nothing, that thing arise as suffer=desire=survivence=attachment.

Too much pain in the world, the homeless guy, the liberal crowd that is making fun and even the preacher.

What about "good" (love)?

You are using questions (language). That is not the kind of investigation Krishnamurti is referring to. Investigation = Observing reality without using the thought categories you have learn through your life.

NDE are void experience? As long as I know NDE witnesses are aware of the experience so it is not void.

It happens both with breath attention technique and do nothing technique. I don't think it is a concentration problem. It is not like a regular thought, I am not attach to it. It feels more like I am observing all this garbage and I am not creating it or responsable for it at all. It is like watching a movie.

I experience that daydreaming state too. It is not like I am thinking about something but several stories are running and I am observing it as a witness. It feels bad and looks like low consciusness but it is what it is, I don't choose that thing to happen. I just try to observe it. Eventually it goes away. Sometimes it is even worst and I feel like hundreds of images, sounds and feelings are happening at the same time filling my consciusness. It looks like a collage, some abstract picture or maybe the Guernica picture. I don't have control at all over this images, I watch at them. It feels like exactly the opposite of a samadhi state where the mind is empty.

What we are discussing here is not usefulness for consciusness work; it is just an intelectual debate. Focus on experience. Just see the others as a thought in your mind, and the question about the others as a question in your mind. Just focus on the form, not the content of what arise in your consciusness. You have to observe, not think. Thinking i s desire of change.

A=B B=A It is the same my friend..

Yes, your dad is just a thought, it is not actually your dad. But there is also a thought in your dad's head about your dad that you are completely unaware of. So how can you say everything is you if you are completely unaware of your dad's subjectivity? and your dad's subjectivity is something, so you are not that part of reality, so you are not everything.

What you say is not related with what we are discussing. What we are discussing here is the oness quality of consciusness. In other words, the famous "everything is me" How can you know everything is One if I am experience something you don't know at all what it is? Yes, the accusations of solipsism make sense, Ruper Spira doesn't deal with this problem.

Somebody says: there is only One Consciusness that includes the Absolute and the Relative (includes everything) I say: if that is true you should know the Relative experience I am having in the present (the object I am graving, in my example)

The thing is if there is only One consciusness you should know, for example, what do I have in mi right hand and you don't know it.

the language is fucking weak, don´t ask too much to it

Anything you can imagine, that is not dead. It means death is not "dark" as atheist think but other cool stuff like paradise or reincarnation neither. All the answers in these thread are spiritual ideology.