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@WelcometoReality Yeah basically what @Jkhv1 said. For some people they rest in the earlier stages of enlightenment, maybe for their whole lifetime, for others their is an urge to go further, I guess when you know that awakening goes deeper you're more likely to want to. I can personally say from my own experience life changes A LOT upon stabilising in non-duality.

@Jkhv1 No way, someone who's actually using this model and RASA and using themselves as an example, if only more people were that open minded. After all in this work, it all comes down to your own personal direct experience, it doesn't matter if you have 10000000 self realized mates, if you aren't there yourself your own existential experience won't change. I'm exactly the same, seeking takes up a huge part of any seeker's life, so it'll also be very fun to have that portion back! I'm the same as you, if I have no desire to carry on seeking I'll stop, but if it's there I won't, like I said all about your own personal direct experience.

@Bill W haha. I'm glad he was so helpful for you, his teaching centres around love which is beautiful. Any teacher you resonate with you should work with, no matter their LOC, there's a reason your intuition is sending you there!

Yes, of course, it will help being in the presence of a truly liberated being can be incredibly helpful. I'm lucky enough to meet my teacher fortnightly over Zoom, and it is the single most helpful thing of my journey having not just interaction but 1-1 interaction that deals with your unique situation and awakening.

@Schahin You're hoping for some resurrected world and want to save the world etc. Of course we want a fairer society with no poverty and no wars and a world that works together. However, illness and death are a part of the life cycle, creation and destruction are synonymous look all around you, even your thoughts, they are created and rise in pure awareness, then they do their thing and they are gone- destroyed. You don't need some magical pure light nirvana. This right now is Nirvana, this horrible ugly duality is perfect as it is. When you realize that, seeking is over, as this truly is it. You may need some help getting there though- Teachers, Transmissions and Psychedelics can all help and we all have our preferences. But remember, this right now, this is it.

@Leo Gura Yes I agree. I made this thread to not only show the map of LOC's which is a helpful tool for the different stages of awakening but not perfect like every model. My main reason was to share the power of RASA and 1-1 coaching for those who resonate with it and feel they need it, LOC's are used as a tool as a part of this but the fundamentals are your own existential direct experience. Eventually, I'll make a thread about RASA and the Enneagram as they are 2 more practical things that can actually help people, the focus wasn't meant to be on the map but how it can be used in the awakening process. Hope you are well also

@WelcometoReality im about 95% sure this is about Hawkins on Maharishi and Maharaj, and eventually led to 1000.

@WelcometoReality I haven't read so can't really comment. To add more fuel to the fire Ramaji has Hawkins in the 800s (Updated in 2019) This stage represents transcendental love and the flowering of love, this was a more common 'sticking' point in the past where devotion to gurus and holy figures were much more common, as were Bhakti paths, that explains why his DVD set would be called 'Love is a way of being.' The main focus of teachers teaching in the 800s will be love, it is beautiful teaching and one the world needs very much. With these sorts of things though I do believe it's hard to come at it from a conventionally scientific view, for me Ramaji's map has helped me understand the stages of awakening and the coaching/ RASA has spearheaded my personal growth to levels I never believed possible, and for that I'll always be eternally grateful.

@WelcometoReality What @Nak Khid (We actually agreed on this thread lol) It's based on enlightenment and non duality so yeah it's not based on science, he goes over how he 'calculates' LOC's, which may be of interest to you, personally I can't do this, but even reading the descriptions and learning the stages has helped me recognise roughly what stage soemone/ teachers could be at. I think you'd enjoy it, it's a long read though, but very detailed of each stage of awakening, and goes over other models such as 10 Zen Ox Pictures etc etc. Let me know if you do read it!

@WelcometoReality @Nak Khid I'm pretty sure this did inspire Ramaji's, I'm not sure about labelling each stage with one emotion, like labelling the 200s desire I think it was, Desire is simply life force, and after awakening it evolves but healthy desire is a huge part of life, instead of desiring for the self alone, I desire to receive in order to share and help people, not just to help myself. But yes, they are similar, it seems DH goes into more details about the pre seeker phases and normal life, whereas Ramaji is more focused on Spiritual seekers in the 500s and then stabilising in non-duality at 640 and each stage of the awakening process. I'm like 90% sure he started this as Hawkins didn't have Ramana at the highest level of understanding. @WelcometoReality have you read 1000?

@Nak Khid Yes and No. youll never receive an LOC based on a temporary experience but you can have glimpses or Insights, like with Psychedelics people have amazing insights but don’t always integrate as that’s the hardest part. Its often the same with RASA which is why the coaching helps so much. LOC’s are based on your overall existential experience, so your day to day consciousness.

@WelcometoReality I remember at the start he goes over why he started his research and I think it might be because of him. It was someone who didn’t believe Ramana and Nisgardata Maharaj were “finished.” (At 1000, complete self realisation etc etc) So he wanted to investigate this further and other teachers, then commonalities started appearing between teachers then he formed the map I believe to “describe” these stages.

@Haumea2018 Very well said and that’s a great way of describing it in terms people are more likely to understand referring to Chakras and other traditions and also why many teachers misbehave in thenearlier stages and can even become cult leaders. I haven’t finished my own process yet, but the description of the expansion of the self is eerily accurate, all I can recommend is people try RASA and the 1-1 coaching themselves if they want to see if it actually works. It doesn’t have to be with Ramaji or Ananda either, there’s plenty of cheaper RASA facilitators they have trained if you don’t resonate with them in particular!

Hope you're ready for everyone to look at you like you're crazy I would say keep it as beginner friendly and practical as possible. Maybe show the class some sort of intro into non-duality/ Consciousness video, I can't think of one off the top of my head. If you're confident enough, you could run the class through a practical exercise to guide them towards noticing their natural pure awareness that is in the background of all experience, that might actually make people listen more if they realize what you're saying isn't theory, because naturally most people will reject this instantly. This is kind of the challenges sages like Sadhguru have, trying to teach the masses about consciousness is no easy feat- good luck!

That was beautiful.

What Leo said. Your direct existential experience is much more important as you're living it yourself, so if you don't feel that way than that is what matters.

I usually write this in my own private journal but recently I've been feeling obliged to share and attempt to help people in any way I can, so thought I would write here whenever I feel like it. Today has been truly amazing, in terms of external life it was really just a normal day, except I worked a lot more than usual on my businesses. Oh and in the UK there was the debate between the main 2 candidates for our upcoming General Election, one key note is that many Conservatives in the crowd booed when our Labour candidate mentioned tackling climate change and helping poor people, that really showed how far we have to go as a society. Anyways, today I have felt extremely peaceful, even though I've been extremely busy, which sounds like a pradox but it isn't. In fact this inner sense of peace is always there no matter what I am doing and only seems to be deepening as each day passes, as well as my life for life and everything about it, the simple things in life seem absolutely breathtaking now, even writing this is incredibly enjoyable. With this deepening love that I'm feeling comes an increased desire to share and help in all aspects of my life, whether that is on a 'spiritual' level, or even on a more basic level such as being a compassionate and kind human being, with each kind act, a sense of joy comes across me that this life truly is breathtaking. My experience of the now is only getting better. This moment truly is it, as it is right now. Not some special state or whatever, but this moment here is absolutely and completely it, no matter the content. A few recent realizations have been that the mind is nothing but individual thoughts and doesn't actually exist. When you investigate thoughts you realize they rise one at a time in natural pure awareness, do their thing, and then fall back into natural pure awareness, when our thoughts are strong it can seem like there is a mind interconnecting them, but there is always a gap, even if it is the tiniest gap of all, simply put the mind does not exist in actuality, but thoughts do and they continue after enlightenment, and in fact I enjoy my thoughts now, they are no longer a problem for me. Another is the realization of no other, which could explain my desire to help as I am merely helping myself relieve my own suffering when talking absolutely. All is the Self, hence Ramana's famous 'There is no world' quote, of course there isn't there is only the self, and because there is only the self there is no other! Anyways that's enough for today.

@Bill W Thank you mate for approaching this in a rational and open manner and you are more than entitled to your opinion. I would say try less to focus on the number and what each stage represents. It is merely a map to help show students where they are at, as well as show where teachers you are learning from. Tbh I thought RASA was crazy and it took me 3 months to actually cough over the money and get started with the 1-1 sessions but I'm glad I did, I get your point and honestly reading the book 1000 by Ramaji will actually help clear a lot of that up, he goes over many taboo subjects such as the corruption of Spiritual Teachers including cases of sexual abuse and scandals, whether all the allegations are true is another matter. Some examples of these teachers are: Bentino Massano, Mooji https://gurumag.com/becoming-god-inside-moojis-portugal-cult/ These teachers are clearly enlightened but have they gone all the way and are they fully integrated into the heart? In my opinion they can't be if they. In terms of LOC's they are in the 700s. All 1000 represents is complete self realization and stabilization in the absolute, I am personally not there yet, but my existential experience is fucking amazing compared to when I started a confused seeker back in February. My recommendation to everyone has been to read the book fully, then feel free to praise or critique as you wish as I feel we can then have a much fairer conversation. This video from Ananda describes LOC's more succinctly and better than I ever could!- https://www.rasatransmissioninternational.com/what-is-loc I think the precise number have much littler value than the hundreds which for me provide the real value of showing how deeply someone is awakened, I feel awakening and enlightenment is much more nuanced than one simple awakening and that's it, even after reaching 1000 I know there will be years of work ahead of me in terms of integration and on my human personality- that work will never end! If you want to chat more feel free to PM me as I wrote this thread to help people as honestly this forum seems full of hardcore seekers just as I was before all this, this is the path that helped me and I hope it can help many others who are still seeking. It's amazing how simple it all is. Again, thank you for actually being respectful and honest, instead of just taking sly digs, I really appreciate that mate! Have a great week,and remember this moment is it

@Nickyy Yeah on second read of the article it sounds more like complete self realization to be honestt

@Jahmaine Sorry then I personally can’t answer your question. Hope you find what you’re looking for! I know you’re not asking for this but that sounds like an attempt to transcend the human condition, instead of embrace our humanity, each to their own.

Embodiment is when life starts to get really fucking amazing. Doesnt mean it’s easy though, far from it at times!

@Alex bliss a lot of self inquiry has been mistranslated and can be over complicated. i think Rupert Spira teaches it really well when he says simply- “Ask am I aware” then find out the answer for yourself, you don’t need to constantly repeat who am I for 30 mins, Ramana taught self inquiry for those not ready for the silent teaching and those who needed a bit more to help them reach the absolute. From self inquiry, becomes abidance in the Self with a capital S, abidance in the absolute, at first this may sound boring but jeez does it become amazing.

@Jahmaine I mean my opinion is this sounds like a huge distraction on the path focusing on these powers and supernatural abilities, it’s potentially possible and cool. but wouldn’t stabalising in the absolute and living in peace and happiness for the rest of your life be even better? This seems like a distraction from the work to me, just my opinion though.

@whoareyou Discrediting is easy, understanding is difficult. Division is easy, integration is difficult. Hostility is easy, compassion is difficult. I'll just leave you with that.

@whoareyou No I was saying that as most people here go through Leo for what they believe, I don't blindly believe it's a good book I read the book, have been receiving RASA and 1-1 sessions with Ananda since February and it has transformed my existential experience to say the least. I have dropped seeking, my love for life only deepens with every passing moment, the sense of peace in my experience is astounding me everyday. This is not ego games, this is simply pointing out not all awakened people have the same depth of awakening, I thought this was common knowledge, that 1 awakening isn't the end. Most teachers as I pointed out say there are stages to this awakening process. Another example of a model like this is the 10 Ox Pictures. Other examples are- Seven Valleys of Sufism, Patanjalis Yoga Sutras, Nisgardatta's I just quoted to name just a few. Please stop playing the superiority card here, all you have done is come here and call me nuts for showing the thing that has helped me awaken more than anything else, through receiving RASA and working 1-1 with Ananda. I have dropped my seeking, but the reason I made this thread as the majority of people here are still hardcore seekers like I was for 2 years, and some people are seekers for 50+ years. I would love to know your existential experience, without you acting superior and have an honest discussion, cheers.