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@MAYA EL Exactly, that’s why I feel there’s no point to respond whatever I say, I’ll get an essay on why he’s better than me essentially ? @V-8 I’m done here. Enjoy your knowledge and superiority and being at SD8, I think I’ll go back to enjoying my peace and happiness and receiving BS transmissions that have helped me beyond words, but thank you for your concern. However, there are more ways to live life than you do, just because you decided to retire after waking up doesn’t mean everyone has to, just like everyone doesn’t have to become a monk or go live in an Ashram. In fact everyone will want different things, but like I said the deepest awakenings show the ordinary becoming the extraordinary, that this very world is the Buddha Planet as it is. Youre a funny guy. However it is strange a man of your age to be lurking around online forums, or have a need to and I hope I don’t have a need to prove my superiority and call people children and first tier thinkers, to me that’s an extremely sad existence. Whatever you do with yourself Christmas, or if having a family isn’t allowed once you reach SD100 that you seem to be at, have a merry christmas mate and try being happy and having fun instead of seeking more and more knowledge, you might like it

@Inliytened1 well said mate. the Absolute transcends it all and quotes are merely pointers as are words, all teachers say they can never speak tbe absolute truth but only use pointers to help you get there. Hence, silence has always been the highest teaching and always will be! Howveer, models like SD are useful for psychological development for example and awakening maps like the Zen one can also be very beneficial for people’s journeys. life is now, this is it, and it’s fucking amazing!

@V-8 lol okay, yes because you’re older than me you are sure to be more wise, and the fact you refer to yourself as a second tier thinker and me as a first without knowing me is hilarious, yet say I have an issue with paradigms. I am literally talking from direct experience haha, as I stated, you are the one who keeps referring to SD as a model, not me mate. In terms of experience of reality, I only talk from direct experience and refrained from talking on here until I had multiple awakenings, as I am personally sick of seeing teachers who aren’t finished seeking, the world is full of enough of them. Letting go also has nothing to do with giving away possessions haha, What I let go of is absolutely everything to realise this is it. The fact you keep using your superiority complex to say you’re a tier two thinker is funny, I hope if I get to your age I don’t develop a complex like that, true masters see everyone as merely themselves. Sorry if I was wrong about the books, I thought I saw that on the other thread and your obsession with models made me think that, that’s all To be honest, I have a life to live instead of argue, my life only truly begun after these recent awakenings over the last 7 months, and I see you as nothing other than myself. I do not deny on a human level I have a lot of work to do, I want to build ny businesses a lot further, optimise my health, eventually become a 1-1 teacher who gives transmissions, improve my fitness and sporting ability, better my relationships and most importantly continue to deepen my love for life and live the best life possible, I’m only 20 but so far I think it’s going alrighy! Seeking is coming to a close, every day my experience of this becomes deeper and deeper, and once seeking finishes besides teaching and helping they’ll be no need to talk about Non-Duality anymore, as the 10th Zen picture shows! I wish you nothing but happiness, and to enjoy the rest of your life. i also apologise for any assumptions I made about you as I don’t know you at all, and I’d appreciate if you stopped the subtle superiorities you try to push. In terms of my “conscious awareness” I can not begin to explain how much it has deepened in the last 7 months, I feel like I’ve been reborn and one day like this is purely incredible compared to before, but thanks for your concern i am also not projecting anything, I did feel as if you were a typical conceptual guy who got it conceptually, I could be wrong, I prefer direct experience personally i only come on here to learn from others in areas I need help, and to help others mainly in whatever way I can as I no how hard it can be to suffer as a seeker, usually I don’t get entertainment but today I did so thank you. I think I might even look more into Wui We Wui as a fellow Englishman I’m fascinated by his journey, and the fact he is also clearly finished as Ramana is, as Nisgardatta is! Enjoy your Saturday night, the purpose of life is to be happy, have fun and live the best life you can and help as many people along the way in my eyes, and that’s exactly what I intend to do!

Life is spirituality, this very world is the Buddha planet. Eventualy you transcend non duality, spirituality all of those are concepts which are useful but eventually need to be transcended. THIS IS IT. you can’t separate anything as EVERYTHING is the Self, it’s all there is! Non-Duality is like medicine for duality, once you’re better you don’t keep taking the medicine do you? Thats how it works with the teachings, until you arrive at the finishing line, where this very moment is seen to be all there is, and is seen to be enough, you need them. but if there’s even a subtle feeling you aren’t there, keep going until you are, you will know when you’ve “arrived” trust me. The ordinary becomes the extraordinary. oh and yes as others have said you still get to be you, in fact more you, I recommend Enneagram work to everyone, you get to have your cake (The Self) and eat it (Be you on a human level!)

Honestly despite our discussion this is to help you, I remember being exactly like this. constantly going to the books, to the models, to everything except inside myself. These models and books have great value, especially SD which is great for showing evolutionary psychology. However, in terms of awakening there comes a time when you have to LET IT GO. Conceptually you have an amazing understanding, but that gets you nowhere in this work. LET IT GO. jump in the fire, jump in the abyss, see what is waiting for you, in your direct experience, not what these endless people quote, they do that to help awaken people! Face the silence, face whatever it is you’re avoiding and abide there, believe me when you get to “the other side” it’s fucking worth it, but it’s not always easy. I am not meaning to act superior or better or “more awake” I just know how it feels to be stuck in concepts and the fact you referred to books as your main source of info tells me you’re a typical 570/580/590s guy from the LOC map. yes awakening has depths, and it goes VERY fucking deep, if you’re into that I’d suggest you check out the Book 1000, that details non dual “stages” if you will. But once you finish reading it drop it all and jump in, or just don’t read it and jump in the fire, that’ll probably help you more! THIS IS IT, this very moment is everything you could ever need or want, once you realise that, your seeking days are over.

@V-8 you’re funny man? Genuinely expect me to believe you have a greater understanding of the absolute than Ramana when all you do is spout random quotes, and are using a model to attempt to depict reality. Reality is now, in fact any words or quotes about reality can never depict reality as the absolute is unspeakable hence why the highest teaching will and always has been silence. Because nobody silence is where you can find those answers, as you said the absolute can NEVER be figured out by the mind. I appreciate all the assumptions you’ve made of me, but in fact I have read your posts many times and no it isn’t because it “doesn’t fit my paradigm” but because mostly you just ramble and don’t make much sense, you know there’s a think called critical thinking? If you believed everything you heard completely, I’m pretty sure none of us would be here. And yes, reality is beyond all concepts, non duality is a concept, spiral Dynamics is certainly a concept, yet when you realise THIS very moment is it, you arrive home and realise this very world is Buddha, exactly as it is! As ive said, you seem to misunderstand many masters, that’s common of hardcore seekers. if you think what Ramana is speaking about is merely oneness, then I’m not even sure where to begin haha. As many have said you’re interest and I thank you for making me laugh on several occasions, good luck using SD8 to achieve happiness. Over the last 7 months I’ve found everything I could ever want from this work, from a place of horrific confusion, to absolute peace, I can’t thank my teachers and everyone enough, life truly is magnificent when you rest here. You honestly seem like you’ve been trapped in seeking for decades, can I ask was you a psychedelic user? As I’ve said, within this work I’ve found exactly what I was after, happiness and peace. I know there’s a never ending deepening from here, and life to live and flourish on the human dimension, but life will never be the same for me, instead of speaking with quotes I’ll speak with direct experience. My knowingness has changed to know I am (as is all) the Self, there is an unbreakable silence that never leaves, no matter what I’m doing, it is always there. My experience is that there Is no other, no world, just this Self, that understanding alone has radically changed my life. On top of that, I no longer say “I’m enlightened” as there is no enlightened person here, just the Self, and enlightenment and non duality are both concepts that eventually must be dropped. There is also no mind, just thoughts that rise and leave awareness all in good time, and everything is absolutely perfect as it is. All is left is the absolute and to now live an amazing life, doing whatever I love and whatever I want to in that moment. I hope you are happy, as I hope all are happy and I hope many on here will relieve their own personal suffering, I know how shit this path can be. As I said, I’ve found what I’m after, have you? @Haumea2018 care to help me out here mate? ?

@Consept I have a session with my teacher every 2 weeks, well I did, I’m near the “end” so it’s more about dropping everything and resting in the now, absolute etc for me atm. Its on zoom, the only downside is that it costs, but they are normal fully self realised people and my teacher is mother to 3 children. Just google Rasa Ramaji and it’s his website, he wrote the book “1000” which is kinda prerequisite to the teaching the plus side is there’s lots of people who can give RASA and teach these days, so if you don’t resonate with Ramaji or Ananda Devi then they have a list of others i can vouch enough how beneficial it has been, it’s for those who are sick of seeking and are actually ready to finish all of this and finally wake up! They have a YT channel as wel, although it’s not on Eckhart or Ruperts production standards lol. Google Ramaji / Ananda Devi / RASA and you’ll find them, I’m not allowed to post links here I don’t think, sorry mate, feel free to PM and I’d be happy to talk about it more

@V-8 Some Wui We Wui quotes you might find interesting... As long as there is a 'you' doing or not-doing, thinking or not-thinking, 'meditating' or 'not-meditating' you are no closer to home than the day you were born. The path that one person follows is not the correct path for any other person. Each of us must walk his own path to enlightenment— that is the way. - Everyone is unique, therefore, just because meditation is useless for you doesn't mean that's the case for everyone... When you give a shilling to a beggar – do you realise that you are giving it to yourself? - Explanation of no other. Reality alone exists – and that we are. All the rest is only a dream, a dream of the One Mind, which is our mind without the ‘our’. Is it so hard to accept? Is it so difficult to assimilate and to live?- Jee this guy is good, can tell he studied with Ramana Maharshi, an indication that The Self is all. THIS which is seeking is THAT which is sought, and THAT which is sought is THIS which is seeking- Ahh, so similar to other teachers I mentioned, he truly is a master. And let's finish with the one you used (well half used LOL) The practice of meditation is represented by the three monkeys, who cover their eyes, ears, and mouths so as to avoid the phenomenal world. The practice of non-meditation is ceasing to be the see-er, hearer or speaker while eyes, ears and mouths are fulfilling their function in daily life. - Do you not see how he is equating non-meditation to explain it isn't YOU meditating and that it is merely what you are not something you DO. 'Non-Meditation' is literally what I have been speaking about in all these posts lol, in realizing you are this Primordial Awareness, and then your knowing permanently shifts to this understanding and you live in a 24/7 state of meditation, as the silence becomes unbreakable, you have arrived at the absolute. I'm also glad he mentions it becoming a permanent understanding in ordinary life, that is a clear sign of someone who has 'finished' seeking. This is the danger when seekers such as yourself get hold of these quotes, you completely misinterpret them and believe they are saying something they just aren't, he is literally saying the same as Ramana, Nisgardatta etc (he even studied under Ramana ffs) yet from an English, western background. He just uses the term Non-Meditation instead of resting in the absolute, resting in the I am, 'True meditation as the Primodial Awareness' personally I'm not a big fan of non terms but if it works for people I'm glad I'm glad I went to the source of these quotes and you've helped me uncover another amazing master, thank you

When someone fully awakens they often drop the need for Non-Dual teachings, so he likely means he won't be reading anymore spirituality/ non-dual books. However I'm sure there's other topics he will still read more into

@Inliytened1 Exactly he hasn't had a realization that he literally is the universe yet, there's a long way to go there it seems. And then it goes even deeper than that!

@V-8 You're genuinely one of the strangest blokes I've ever seen on here, you make little to no sense and think awakened beings want to get people addicted to meditation? I literally gave you quotes of masters advocating meditation and you ignored them, which is strange. Ever seen Osho's quotes on meditation? You keep mentioning ever present awareness etc True Meditation is literally the practice of stabilizing oneself in this unbreakable silence, this awareness, whatever you want to call it. Other forms of meditation can be helpful for other things.

@Inliytened1 I'm glad there's still someone with sense here looking to help others, what this guy is saying is genuinely dangerous to newbies and anyone currently struggling, if I read this back when I was seeking I'd be wildly confused and potentially give up with meditation. @V-8Can I ask how many trips you've had and was you heavy with it back in the day?

@V-8 Lol, you do you man. If you wanna wake up faster, look into spiritual transmissions, Ramana is known for saying the greatest teaching is silence yet many aren't ready for it hence he invented Self-Inquiry to help people get to the unbreakable silence. Since April, I've been working with a teacher 1-1 which has helped beyond words, we've gone through my own blockages on this path, understanding myself more on a human level, dealing and overcoming those blockages etc, and then a 15 minute transmission at the end of each session, I've had multiple awakenings and deepening of these awakenings in the last 8 months, to the point where I can truly rest in the absolute and be completely satisfied, life is amazing. I'd also rather you didn't try and play some superiority card as if I'm not interested in realization lol, I linked you some of the greatest masters of our time. From your messages it sounds like you're still seeking and haven't found what you're looking for. I was not arguing that meditation is the best tool for waking up, I was merely stating just because it isn't doesn't reduce it's effectiveness to 0. If you want to talk about truth realization we can, and while many preach psyches, I'll happily talk about transmissions and working 1-1 with a self realized being, I find it funny how you made assumptions. You also seem adamant there are still others, that is a CLEAR indication to me you are not deeply awakened, one who has truly realized The Self, knows it all there is, in fact the world you see doesn't exist as you believe it does, it is merely The Self also, these sort of awakenings are what can truly blow your 'paradigm' to quote yourself. I'm sure these guys can also help me out on how effective RASA transmissions have been for them @Haumea2018 @Jkhv1 @Gneh Onebar Just say your last comment, the fact you think Rupert, Adya and Ramaji are merely 'cattarpillars' yet preach about Terrance McKenna and Jed McKenna shows me the level you're at, without being disrespectful awakening goes FAR beyond those 2, in fact I'd argue Jed (if he ever reveals himself) is still stuck in seeking himself, as it seems you are, again I'm not trying to be disrespectful but you're making out these beings are 'cattarpillars.' However, I do agree the flower and Satsang model is outdated and 1-1 teaching is far more effective. Good luck on your journey, my friend, when you find what you're after believe me it's worth it

@silene Defo, Check out any of these Adyashanti Rupert Spira Ramaji They all have ebooks on amazon you can get for <$10.

Vegan doesn't = healthy, I'm vegan but there's a lot of vegan junk available nowadays as it becomes more popular. Whole Foods Plant Based is the best Vegan way of eating imo, focuses on whole foods that nourish your body. But first, what's your goals? do you go to the gym etc, or are you eating just for health reasons? If you struggle with hunger cravings, try Intermittent Fasting, it's very difficult at first but after a while becomes second nature and makes it a lot easier to lose weight in my experience, which is with 16:8 fasting.

@V-8 Can you not see how you're just on the opposite end compared to seeing Meditation as the best thing ever, you have made it out to be terrible, and disregard the clear benefits it has on many. While I don't believe alone it is the best path to awakening, it is clear it has a great magnitude for many not just those on the path in regards to an array of issues in one's life, and especially for certain Enneagram types (such as 7s like myself) it can be extremely beneficial pre and post-awakening for helping with a range of issues. Why not like at things from a more nuanced standpoint? Yes meditation may not be the optimum path to awakening and alone is unlikely to awaken many, no this does not mean meditation is useless and is in fact extremely beneficial for many people. I don't see why we need to be dogmatic about everything lol, certain meditations suit certain people, hence the wide variety of meditations. If meditation doesn't work for you, that's cool there's plenty of other tools around, but it works for many people in different ways so I think it's a bit reductionist to state meditation is useless, especially to newbies on the path. Post-Awakening life is like a 24/7 meditation in terms of non-resistance to the now, allowing the flow of thoughts and feelings etc and I feel for you if you haven't experienced that. I do agree simple meditations such as 'witnessing' need to be made deeper, these are great introductions, but meditation goes way deeper, my personal favortie is Pure Awareness meditation or Resting in the absolute (which is also the aim of Self-Inquiry btw) when meditation is taught in Non-Duality it 'aims' to help you notice that unbreakable silence, notice The Self that encompasses all, and in my experience is a very helpful tool for daily practice for me and for many others Oh and your ridiculous claim that awakened beings don't advocate meditation here's some articles from the greatest sages and their recommendations: https://ramana-maharshi.weebly.com/meditation.html https://o-meditation.com/2010/02/16/focused-i-am-meditation-nisargadatta-maharaj/ https://non-duality.rupertspira.com/read/meditation_is_simply_to_be_ http://www.awakin.org/read/view.php?tid=960 And since you love quotes here's some from some masters of our time, even though no awakened being has ever advocated meditation of course! Rupert- “Meditation is simply to be. It is what we are, not what we do” Meditation starts with an investigative quality. In time the investigation aspect gives way in favour of a more contemplative attitude which, as the objects of contemplation are slowly relieved of their ‘objectness’ and ‘otherness,’ is revealed as a simple abidance as the Knowing Presence that we are, in which and as which all things appear. Adyashanti- True meditation has no direction or goal. It is pure wordless surrender, pure silent prayer. All methods aiming at achieving a certain state of mind are limited, impermanent, and conditioned. Fascination with states leads only to bondage and dependency. True meditation is abidance as primordial awareness. (This is why I worry about the obsession with people's Psychedelic states, THIS IS IT NOW!!!) Adya says it best, true meditation is abidance as primordial awareness, or as the Self, and post-awakening that happens 24/7, and it's amazing

@Inliytened1 @ajasatya @Consilience Defo agree, and about the survival instincts also, sometimes you have no other options. Yeah I also get annoyed a lot less, or even when I do instead of resisting it I feel it completely and let it go, such as with Liverpool games lol, but even in anger there's acceptance but the restriction to not lash out, maybe that's the difference, there's space around it, yet the anger is still felt completely. I feel human emotion is natural, for example if someone raped my daughter (in the future) you're going to naturally feel anger but your response wouldn't be to go and kill them, the first instinct would be to protect my daughter but there is an understanding that things have led to that Rape, it's not as black and white as that person is simply evil, of course some people are 'worse' than others, but it goes way deeper, but with normal people you couldn't say that or they would think your weird for not wanting to kill or hurt this man, but when you understand they're suffering you would instead wish them the help to end their suffering and no longer feel this horrific need to have nonconsensual sex. That got pretty deep, but I hope I've illustrated my point, in that the understanding of everything goes way deeper than the surface level many see. And, while you may still experience 'negative' emotions but the resistance and centre is gone, so they fizzle out and are let go much easier. Life is truly amazing as it is, now.

@Consilience @ajasatya Do you agree that upon awakening of the heart, virtue comes more naturally like I have upgraded so many areas of my life and can no longer participate in certain things. These texts are great guidance and are made for those on the path so it makes sense, and feels forced at first but after a while you couldn't be any other way tbh.

@Highest Exactly man, for example in meditation or when you're relaxing in a Sauana you will more likely rest in the absolute alone, (technically resting there 24/7 but you get me) although whenever you're doing shit you're still IT just in motion instead of resting or in silence. And exactly, duality is to be enjoyed! Go enjoy it and enjoy the weed, haven't smoked in forever, but it's always fun just like drinking is, once you move past non-duality as an ideology and embrace duality and realize duality is IT as well, life gets fucking amazing. Have a good one bro.

@Highest I've been there, what helped me a lot was understanding the depths of awakening through the book 1000, and how many teachers etc are at different depths and you can tell in the subtle details of their teaching. The 'Blank Screen' is common of what that book refers to as the 600s (early stages of awakening) where no self is realized, there feels spaciousness, basically what good old Eckhart Tolle talks about, boundless spaciosuness etc, but it goes WAY deeper

@Highest No person doesn't = prison once you no longer believe yourself to be JUST that person. Then Person= Freedom, expression, joy, fun and a 'vessel' if you like to enjoy the duality many of us negate in this journey. When you realize that very coffee cup in front of you is the Buddha, and this very world is nothing but the self, and THIS is it right here, it is like a completely different experience impossible to put into words, life becomes an effortless flow of moment to moment experience without resistance. I agree with you though, realizing the Self= Freedom, but it also allows you the freedom to live FULLY as a human as you please and to experience this life how you want to. I love it. I just don't like your phrase non-person, it implies negation of the human experience, I feel it is better phrased as knowing yourself to be The Self, but living through the Human, you will still have emotions and thoughts etc, just when you investigate there's nobody at the centre of these thoughts, just space. However, it will FEEL as if there is, and you still live as if you are The Small Self, but you KNOW you are The Self, it all gets a bit confusing and messy with language This is it.

Different tools work for different people, Psyches give great insights clearly, but plenty before have got there without them, Leo is the first real proponent of them in this current community, T McKenna obvs was back in the day, but he only reached early awakenings, and Alan Watts has the famous slogan on them. If you feel meditation, Self-Inquiry, Yoga, working with a teacher is better for you then do that. If you feel psyches are better than do that (please be careful with the substances though, so much inconsiderate use of substances) Or, if you want to utilize both do that, Leo's school is based on Psyches for better or for worse and he's got his insights and deepest awakenings from them, while many may not agree this is the best approach, it's his approach and he's going to of course teach his approach, I for one am interested to see where it takes him as I am not a Psyches user really bar several experiences, from watching so far it seems Leo has INCREDIBLY deep insights and glimpses, but it's the integration that is the challenge as it is for all of us. Meditation is an awesome foundational practice and should be practiced everyday really, especially for certain Enneagram types, but many TM meditators meditate for 50 years and don't get awakened etc, so it isn't a guarantee, many who meditate still won't have much idea what Non-Duality even is, but that doesn't mean meditation, Yoga, Self-Inquiry isn't still awesome. But, as others have said meditation becomes an effortless 24/7 practice post-awakening as The Self has come forward to the foreground of your life and the unbreakable silence has been realized, but effort is required until it is no longer needed. You'll know within yourself what is the best path for you, and you should follow that guidance system, not everyone wants the Psyches path just like not everyone wants to work 1-1 with a teacher, find what works for you and as Leo said have the motivation to follow through as this path can be extremely hard at times, especially at the beginning and it will be easy to throw in the towel, but it is certainly MORE than worth it in the long run, life becomes fucking amazing beyond words, and thinking back personally to how my moment to moment experience was is unbelievably different.

Because it goes full circle, and while it is all an 'illusion' not fond of using that term tbh. Yes you are the Big Self and yes you are awareness or whatever name you use for it, the absolute, The Self etc At the same time, you are (until you die) still a human, or living as The Self as a human, your knowing will shift to knowing you are not merely your body/mind, however you can still act like you do, or you'd never be able to do anything lol. I struggled with this kind of mindset for a while, and to be honest it never sat well with me, I knew there was more to it. And, that's because you can live as The Self, and still be YOU as a human, in fact you'll be more you with less reistance and more enoyment than ever before, I fucking love life beyond words at this point, it's so amazing. You go full circle and actually embrace reality and duality as it is NOW, if this means you wanna have sex, go do it, if it means you wanna go learn the Guitar go do it- you are completely free, and there are no 'rules' such as you have to go be a monk or live in an Ashram, you can do what you want in life, and when you truly realize The Self, and that the Self is all, and that THIS IS IT, you have no need to go anywhere as you realize EVERY MOMENT is it, meditation is a 24/7 thing post awakening, in terms of there is no resistance to the now, no matter what that entails. I'm ranting as I often do, but please remember you can have your cake and eat it, in fact I recommending learning about the Enneagram, it will help you with your awakening process! PS I'm assuming a loving base when I say do what you want, I would not give this advice to a murderer, but once you realize love you'll get what I mean. PPS I'm talking purely from direct experience, this is my experience NOW.

Don't forget there's a LOT of gurus who I class as fully realized who got there through working with a teacher 1-1, I agree that talking to a huge audience isn't that effective for awakening as everyone is an individual and therefore requires individual attention for the most part, at least I did, especially if not going down Psyches route. I see books, talks etc as tools to help people and as great introductions, but real work is actually working through your shit, having awakenings integrating them and also utilizing foundational PD to improve all areas of your life imo. For the majority of people, teachers such as Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille, Ramaji, Adya are the most relatable as they actually worked with a teacher 1-1 or had to 'work' for this and didn't just have spontaneous awakenings like Ramana did (not shitting on him as Ramana is one of the greatest masters of the last 100 years) But, as you say, for those who spontaneously awakened, it's harder as they don't have a process as such or didn't go through that seeking phase, so they need to kind of empathize with seekers on what would help them most in their own situation. Hence, why I strongly advocate 1-1 work with a truly self realized being, I was stuck in a loop of Non-Dual addiction for 2 years getting barely anywhere.

@Nahm Exactly man, everyone's awakening process is unique to them and their humanity, therefore, there is no cookie-cutter approach to this, sure most people will do similar basic things such as meditate, but when it gets down to the serious stuff no 2 people are exactly the same so require different appraoches.