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@VeganAwake I am not debating his happiness, but that doesn’t mean he’s fully awake/ Self-Realized, same as Fred, he’s happy as Larry, but again that doesn’t mean they are fully self realised, same as Eckhart Tolle etc they’re all in that same stage what I regard as the 600s, it’s not a bad thing, and if you are happy here stay there, for me it wasn’t enough, there was still something telling me there’s deeper to go on the quest, for Eckhart/ Tony/ Fred that may not be the case, and in this lifetime it may be exactly what they need and what the western world needs, as many aren’t ready for the teachings of say Ramana as I wasn’t at one point. I am not trying to belittle you, I’ve just met many people at your depth, and there’s many teachers that say exactly as you did and you worked with Fred who is in that exact stage, and if you’re happy then enjoy it maybe you’ll be there until the day you die, who knows. This is not about a separate self or about knowledge, in fact at 1000 there really is nothing to teach, hence why silence is the most powerful teaching or more perspectives, except to become lost in the absolute. I saw through the separate self in an early awakening, however like I said this does not mean there is no personality, I strongly recommend the Enneagram for understanding who you are on a human level (yes I know it must be a crime me saying human work could help you?) but it doesn’t mean you don’t know yourself as The Self. I have attached the LOC of Tony as I suspected he was nowhere near “finished” and also a segment of a book I thought would help illustrate my point better than me, hope you had a great Christmas Enjoy the No self, no boundaries, boundless awareness stage- it’s fun!

@VeganAwake Okay, it’s your life and I understand your understanding. But, in my honest opinion there is far deeper understandings to go from where you’re at. I don’t know if you can see it but subtly you’re rejecting the play& are denying your humanity by saying there’s nothing here. you are still a human, if you go and smack your head you will feel pain, if something traumatic happens you will cry. If you choose not to do that PD work or develop your humanity, from the absolute perspective yes there is no difference. but can you not see the subtle spiritual bypassing, you’re using your enlightenment/ awakening (experience/ integration idk) as a way to say “so what fuck life it’s meaningless anyways” if you are happy, I’m happy for you and you do you. Just be careful not to use spiritually/ enlightenment as a reason to never experience the many other beautiful aspects of life, it is here to be enjoyed

@Raptorsin7 I guess I come across a bit preachy, but that’s only because I was stuck for so long. Exactly what you said, western seekers are far different to eastern. unless you want to go live in a robe or an ashram I believe a Tantric (life promoting) path is best, hence that is my message and what I try to share. Also, much of spirituality is taught from the old way, of Monastaries, ashrams, life denying essentially instead of life affirming due to context Nd culture. but it doesn’t have to be like that, ever. if you want it to be, then follow it. But, personally I want to experience a life affirming teaching AND all the benefits of Realizing the Self, and I’m lucky I found the teachers for that. I always felt there was something missing when I studied Buddhism, Monks, even Ramana as he lived in a diaper remember, so I always apply context to these teachings. I’m only trying to help fellow westerners, but many may not resonate and that’s fine. many teachers teach from much lower depths of understanding like Eckhart and Fred, and that’s fine. there could also be a level deeper than “1000” however it is the first time I have felt truly home after multiple awakenings including into No-Self, Realizing I am God, Awakening of love, Realizing the Self is all etc, I always felt there was further to go until NOW. It also could be because I disagree with basically everyone, I rarely say I agree so people won’t like that either ? But I’m not perfect as a human, nobody is. however existentially I know everything is perfect as it is Also, I’m really young as you can see from my pic, so many assume I’ll be naive and misinformed but I have been through all the stages people talk about mainly hence why I try to help, as I’ve been there, if I hadn’t I wouldn’t talk about it. Like I have said many times reading 1000 can help you understand the depths, and then watching teachers at different depths of awakening can help you understand the subtly differences and deepenings of awakening, not every teacher or awakening is the same depth, people need to realise this. I guess I could come off less pushy and authoritative though, but it’s all coming from a place of wanting to help people experience the unspeakable that permeates my experience moment to moment and I hope my delivery of this wil only get better

@VeganAwake Yeah, I think it’s best to leave it, but I strongly disagree and have been through the phase you are at now, but it is impossible to put into words. You say duality is an illusion, but saying that is in itself a subtle rejection of duality, as when duality is resolved there is no question of duality or non-duality, but just The Self, therefore you don’t have to reject the small self. Also, I’d be careful disregarding Personal Development work, that involves basically everything on the human dimension including eating healthy, exercising etc. of course your goals change, it just depends on each person to how drastic it changes, for example my business evolved to match the understanding, however when you realise the ordinary is actually extraordinary, there is no need for any of this or to teach anything, I highly recommend reading 1000 to understand the Self-Realization I am talking about, Fred Davis is very far away from a full realisation, there are depths to this work and I am not talking about having 1 experience here. I will leave this here outlining some of what being at 1000 is like. RASA The end of seeking, grasping and craving. You will no longer suffer from an existential contraction, angst or sense of conflict that persists no matter what. You will finally feel totally relaxed, at ease and in peace. You live in a state of total let go. You will feel unlimited. You will not feel conditioned or controlled by anyone or anything. You live spontaneously. Other positive life-enhancing characteristics blossom in you because now you are living fearlessly! You are without fear! As a result, people experience you as more friendly and more positive. You are able to accomplish much more with little or no sense of effort. You can achieve whatever your true desire is because now you are perfectly aligned to the universal power. Contrary to anti-life enlightenment teachings promoted by monks and celibate yogis, you will find that your senses and your experiences in life are richer and more fulfilling. Everything looks better, sounds better, feels better, tastes better and smells better. For your entire life you were driving with the brakes on. You were not living at full power. At long last now you can live! You will experience the temporary content that comes and goes the way the sky experiences clouds and weather. The sky remains free as the sky always. Suffering as you have known it ends. The reality is that life includes pain. Pain cannot be avoided. But suffering is optional. There can still be negative thoughts and emotions as that is part of being a human being. But you will know directly that whatever arises is not me... not mine... and not about me! Your old way of living will come to a full and complete stop. You will be reborn as your effortless free natural Self or Essence. This ends your "story" of suffering and separation which was never real in the first place. The issue of "other" gets fully resolved. You know directly and intimately even when you are talking to people face to face that they are your very own Self. They are your Self... my Self... the Self... the One Supreme Self. The issue of "world out there" gets fully resolved. It becomes crystal clear to you that the world arises from you! YOU are the Source of the world. It is like the world is a dog that is begging to accompany you in life. It needs you but you don't need it. It's a playful celebration. There is no need to deny a world that is not really there... that is just a dream. You are free to enjoy the world! The issue of "relationships" gets fully resolved. There is no other. All there is is only the Self which is your Self. This means that even when you are in relationship there is nothing to figure out. It is all spontaneous. It is the wisdom display of the one divine Self. The two partners are one dancer. The issue of "addiction" and chronic inner conflicts gets fully resolved. You realize that everything that arises in you as well as what you say and do is totally spontaneous. It is the action of the universe from one moment to the next. Every moment is vivid, fresh and new. Each moment is a gift. As a result you relax and let go into a full ever expanding enjoyment of this moment as it is. Old bad habits melt away automatically like snow falling on the sun. You abide in the blessed state of "only don't know." You live like an innocent little child with total faith and trust in this glorious wildly creative universe. Manifestation becomes effortless. Contrary to tepid views that suggest life ends after enlightenment, the reality is that now finally LIFE BEGINS! One of the benefits of fully realizing you are not the doer, that God or the universe is the doer, is that now you understand that there are NO obstacles to the manifestation of your true spontaneous natural desires! The conventional person stuck in feeling like the doer creates all kinds of obstacles in his mind because he imagines he must do it all. The truth is the exact opposite. You role is simple. Know and feel clearly what you want... then ask for it! Your resistance to living in each moment disappears. You used to reject and judge your moment to moment experience as not what you want, not good enough, that there must be more etc. Now because your ability to say "no" has been disabled, all you can say is a big warm wonderful "Yes!" to life. Everything is known to be perfect just as it is. Everything is known to have infinite precious value. You are content. You are fulfilled. You are home. You feel at all times that you are being yourself. You live in sahaja, meaning the natural state. You feel totally at ease with yourself. Life is effortless. Although content comes and goes, that which you are does not come and go. It is always present. So no matter what happens there is a foundation to your experience that goes untouched. This is the Diamond Essence of your Being. No matter how dirty it seems to get, it can be instantly washed off. You soon realize that you are free and that nothing can touch you. Not only that, this Diamond Self that you are is rock hard, solid and totally real. Now you have a reliable foundation for living. Now at last you know who you are. These are just some of the benefits of living at LOC 1000. Realizing your true Self is beyond mystical experiences. The search is completely over. That in itself is such a huge relief! Finally you are HOME. You are your SELF! Finally! (from What is Rasa on Ramaji/ Anandas website) examples of self realised beings include Ramana, Rupert Spurs, Francis Lucille, Adya, Ramaji Nisgardatta Maharaj, Sadhguru. If you watch Fred for example and then listen to Ramana you will see subtle differences in the teaching, yet Fred is certainly awakened.

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@VeganAwake This is also confusion, yes Ego is an 'Illusion' but you can still function AS IF you have a Small Self/ Ego, but the KNOWINGNESS shifts to that you don't. For example if someone calls your name you will turn around, you could call it a 'Pure Ego' but that creates confusion. You will still have a personality and be YOU, in fact more you than ever before, as there is no resistance or blockages to being YOU anymore. Please don't start denying your humanity, you will still be YOU and are still a human relatively speaking. Yes you know yourself as The Self, but so many people want to transcend their humanity instead of embrace it post-awakening. I wish I could link you a private Satsang that explains this better than I can, but it isn't freely available so am unable to, but yes after awakening there is an 'Ego/ Small Self' you no longer identify as it, but you still live as IF there is one and your individuality remains. You get your cake (The Self) and can eat it too! (being YOU as an individual) Think about it, what fun would life be without being an individual? We will all have time to bask in The Self alone when the body ceases to exist. But, when you go full circle Duality is no longer slightly rejected, but instead is embraced fully as this very world is the Buddha planet, now some special place, THIS is it as you always say, but do you realize THIS world is it to? Enjoy duality, as if all is the Self, all can be enjoyed however you please. Think about the 10th Zen picture, he returns to the marketplace with flowers under his feet. This indicates the ordinary being the extraordinary but the flowers symbolise the Self being realized and the change in knowingness. 'X. In the World Barefooted and naked of breast, I mingle with the people of the world. My clothes are ragged and dust-laden, and I am ever blissful. I use no magic to extend my life; Now, before me, the dead trees become alive. I have abandoned the whip and ropes Finally, the tenth picture shows the enlightened oxherd entering the town marketplace, doing all of the ordinary things that everyone else does. But because of his deep awareness everything he does is quite extraordinary. He does not retreat from the world, but shares his enlightened existence with everyone around him. Not only does he lead fishmongers and innkeepers in the way of the Buddha but, because of his creative energy and the radiance of his life, even withered trees bloom.' http://www.columbia.edu/cu/weai/exeas/resources/pdf/oxherding.pdf

Awesome year for me I'd say 10/10 as at the start I was a hardcore spiritual seeker, but have had many awakenings this year through working 1-1 with my teacher and receiving spiritual transmissions, my existential experience has improved 1000x and I am SOO much happier in general which is awesome. Business-wise it's gone well but I'm hoping to explode my businesses and work on a 5-year plan on growing to my desired income, for me spirituality has only helped me in business, while many think they don't go together when you go full circle you realize ordinary life is the extraordinary and if you want to go run a business, or go be a monk it doesn't matter do what YOU want to do # For 2020 the main goals are to optimize my businesses, my health more holistically aside from just Veganism and exercise/ Gym, deepen my relationships and help more people especially spiritually. I also feel 2020 will be a lot of shit clearing as I've been warned post awakening, there usually is a period of working through the shadow and dealing with everything you have repressed over the years! Have a great year everyone

Mate, if you feel angry and sad that's normal, the best thing to do is firstly feel all of the emotions you feel and release them in healthy ways, but fully allow yourself to feel them, and when you are ready then let them go, if you don't feel them you'll only repress them! It's also good to look at it from a bigger picture afterwards as you say, he's got his reasons for doing this and understanding this sort of work can help you with that, but I guess it also is a life lesson into not trusting people so easily. In the industry I work in, some guy was a full on con artist pretending to be a millionaire, he fooled EVERYONE. He literally lied about being in the real estate business, having offline businesses, and his income and skills. He then charged several people 25k for his coaching and managed to actually get people to pay him in full. He didn't have coaching to offer so was essentially stealing the 25k for very basic tips from Google, these people lost 25k, but it at least teaches them to not be so trusting and make sure to fully vet people before giving money. I get it's different but trust is a big thing, and many people will always be looking after number 1 only.

@Vxvxen it does and awakening can go so deep! However, there is a time when seeking comes to an end and you rest in the absolute, however on the human dimension there is still work to do Oh and with Love there is literally no limit to how much you can give and receive, it’s amazing

@V-8 I was not talking about a spiritual business, but that’s a bit naive to believe we could live in a world without business, have you watched Leo’s conscious politics series out of interest? And, yes there is nothing to teach, but I can’t think of a better word to describe helping people wake up, sorry I must admit I think it’s clear you aren’t finished, when you go full circle you realise ordinary life is the very Self, as I said the 10th Ox Picture shows this I am not talking about SD stages here, I could hazard a guess to what stage of awakening you’re at, but I hardly know you I would suggest you’re in a hermit stage also knows as the 900s if you are awakened Im glad you’re no longer seeking, life without seeking is beautiful.

@V-8 yes I am not denying some have a greater understanding than others, I have said multiple times what I am attempting to explain with the absolute is far beyond words and all words are technically untrue about this topic, the absolute is far beyond words What I mean by equality is more saying, we are all the self, and nobody is “better” than someone else just because they are enlightened or vegan or whatever else etc, that kind of attitude is why some enlightened beings cause havoc because they believe they are superior to their students e.g. Mooji and Bentino Massano. of course some understandings are far deeper than others that’s why I recommend beings such as Ramaji, Ramana, Nisgardatta etc and not Eckhart, Jed McKenna, Fred Davis etc while they are certainly awakened and great for some people, I wanted to finish seeking once and for all

@Lento sorry if it comes across that way, but I’m not meaning it to. Im not saying transmissions and 1-1 are the ultimate path at all, however I do believe all models and concepts need to be dropped for a full awakening for sure. How you get “there” can vary and there’s many different ways, not many know about transmissions and 1-1 teachings that’s why I speak about them on here and yeah peoples wants and needs do defo change with time for sure! But do you not also want happiness as the foundation behind all them things, life is fun being happy! Potentially he does, and that’s also great, but there are models out there that are more relevant to NOn Duality such as the LOC map by Ramaji. But of course there are many paths to awakening

@Lento Nothing is 'bothering' me as such. I just don't think endless models and knowledge are helpful for many on here when THIS is it, and we're all 'after' peace and happiness right? I remember when I was a hardcore seeker and how painful it can be, now I am stabilised in the peace and happiness I just want to help others however I can, that's all. I appreciate models and the theory but eventually, it all needs to be let go, then whatever you need will come back. P.S. I like SD as a model, it's awesome, I'm just not sure it's necessary for awakening that's all, as after all it is a psychological model, and was never intended to be used for Non-Duality. I don't know @V-8, but I've seen many like him before. All I wonder is if he is stabilised in peace and happiness, if he is I'm more than happy for him As I said, I have no issue with someone just because we disagree on certain aspects, that's called life. However, I don't appreciate people playing the superiority card and acting superior that is all, and I know beings established as what I call full Self-Realization would not do that, that is all. When you see everyone and everything as your self, how could you be superior to anyone? Sure you have more knowledge in some areas, as they do, but everyone is the Self, and everyone is you, and therefore, in essence I love everyone. Of course on the relative level distinctions and practicality has to be maintained though. actually @V-8 I have one question! I can’t remember exactly what you said, but you said something about you don’t think teaching is a good idea, why is that out of interest?

@Haumea2018 Well said as always. It is here, it is now it always was we just have to notice it. Meditation is a tool that helps us “notice” our background of awareness more and more and bring it to the foreground, until you realise it is the substance of absolutely everything, and suddenly the silence never leaves. is meditation the best tool ever for awakening? I think there’s better out there, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t meditate, it’s just meditation alone is unlikely to fully wake someone up unless one goes incredibly deep into it. But, meditation as part of your Sadhana is definitely recommended imo. It’s also great for many things

@MAYA EL Exactly, that’s why I feel there’s no point to respond whatever I say, I’ll get an essay on why he’s better than me essentially ? @V-8 I’m done here. Enjoy your knowledge and superiority and being at SD8, I think I’ll go back to enjoying my peace and happiness and receiving BS transmissions that have helped me beyond words, but thank you for your concern. However, there are more ways to live life than you do, just because you decided to retire after waking up doesn’t mean everyone has to, just like everyone doesn’t have to become a monk or go live in an Ashram. In fact everyone will want different things, but like I said the deepest awakenings show the ordinary becoming the extraordinary, that this very world is the Buddha Planet as it is. Youre a funny guy. However it is strange a man of your age to be lurking around online forums, or have a need to and I hope I don’t have a need to prove my superiority and call people children and first tier thinkers, to me that’s an extremely sad existence. Whatever you do with yourself Christmas, or if having a family isn’t allowed once you reach SD100 that you seem to be at, have a merry christmas mate and try being happy and having fun instead of seeking more and more knowledge, you might like it

@Inliytened1 well said mate. the Absolute transcends it all and quotes are merely pointers as are words, all teachers say they can never speak tbe absolute truth but only use pointers to help you get there. Hence, silence has always been the highest teaching and always will be! Howveer, models like SD are useful for psychological development for example and awakening maps like the Zen one can also be very beneficial for people’s journeys. life is now, this is it, and it’s fucking amazing!

@V-8 lol okay, yes because you’re older than me you are sure to be more wise, and the fact you refer to yourself as a second tier thinker and me as a first without knowing me is hilarious, yet say I have an issue with paradigms. I am literally talking from direct experience haha, as I stated, you are the one who keeps referring to SD as a model, not me mate. In terms of experience of reality, I only talk from direct experience and refrained from talking on here until I had multiple awakenings, as I am personally sick of seeing teachers who aren’t finished seeking, the world is full of enough of them. Letting go also has nothing to do with giving away possessions haha, What I let go of is absolutely everything to realise this is it. The fact you keep using your superiority complex to say you’re a tier two thinker is funny, I hope if I get to your age I don’t develop a complex like that, true masters see everyone as merely themselves. Sorry if I was wrong about the books, I thought I saw that on the other thread and your obsession with models made me think that, that’s all To be honest, I have a life to live instead of argue, my life only truly begun after these recent awakenings over the last 7 months, and I see you as nothing other than myself. I do not deny on a human level I have a lot of work to do, I want to build ny businesses a lot further, optimise my health, eventually become a 1-1 teacher who gives transmissions, improve my fitness and sporting ability, better my relationships and most importantly continue to deepen my love for life and live the best life possible, I’m only 20 but so far I think it’s going alrighy! Seeking is coming to a close, every day my experience of this becomes deeper and deeper, and once seeking finishes besides teaching and helping they’ll be no need to talk about Non-Duality anymore, as the 10th Zen picture shows! I wish you nothing but happiness, and to enjoy the rest of your life. i also apologise for any assumptions I made about you as I don’t know you at all, and I’d appreciate if you stopped the subtle superiorities you try to push. In terms of my “conscious awareness” I can not begin to explain how much it has deepened in the last 7 months, I feel like I’ve been reborn and one day like this is purely incredible compared to before, but thanks for your concern i am also not projecting anything, I did feel as if you were a typical conceptual guy who got it conceptually, I could be wrong, I prefer direct experience personally i only come on here to learn from others in areas I need help, and to help others mainly in whatever way I can as I no how hard it can be to suffer as a seeker, usually I don’t get entertainment but today I did so thank you. I think I might even look more into Wui We Wui as a fellow Englishman I’m fascinated by his journey, and the fact he is also clearly finished as Ramana is, as Nisgardatta is! Enjoy your Saturday night, the purpose of life is to be happy, have fun and live the best life you can and help as many people along the way in my eyes, and that’s exactly what I intend to do!

Life is spirituality, this very world is the Buddha planet. Eventualy you transcend non duality, spirituality all of those are concepts which are useful but eventually need to be transcended. THIS IS IT. you can’t separate anything as EVERYTHING is the Self, it’s all there is! Non-Duality is like medicine for duality, once you’re better you don’t keep taking the medicine do you? Thats how it works with the teachings, until you arrive at the finishing line, where this very moment is seen to be all there is, and is seen to be enough, you need them. but if there’s even a subtle feeling you aren’t there, keep going until you are, you will know when you’ve “arrived” trust me. The ordinary becomes the extraordinary. oh and yes as others have said you still get to be you, in fact more you, I recommend Enneagram work to everyone, you get to have your cake (The Self) and eat it (Be you on a human level!)

Honestly despite our discussion this is to help you, I remember being exactly like this. constantly going to the books, to the models, to everything except inside myself. These models and books have great value, especially SD which is great for showing evolutionary psychology. However, in terms of awakening there comes a time when you have to LET IT GO. Conceptually you have an amazing understanding, but that gets you nowhere in this work. LET IT GO. jump in the fire, jump in the abyss, see what is waiting for you, in your direct experience, not what these endless people quote, they do that to help awaken people! Face the silence, face whatever it is you’re avoiding and abide there, believe me when you get to “the other side” it’s fucking worth it, but it’s not always easy. I am not meaning to act superior or better or “more awake” I just know how it feels to be stuck in concepts and the fact you referred to books as your main source of info tells me you’re a typical 570/580/590s guy from the LOC map. yes awakening has depths, and it goes VERY fucking deep, if you’re into that I’d suggest you check out the Book 1000, that details non dual “stages” if you will. But once you finish reading it drop it all and jump in, or just don’t read it and jump in the fire, that’ll probably help you more! THIS IS IT, this very moment is everything you could ever need or want, once you realise that, your seeking days are over.

@V-8 you’re funny man? Genuinely expect me to believe you have a greater understanding of the absolute than Ramana when all you do is spout random quotes, and are using a model to attempt to depict reality. Reality is now, in fact any words or quotes about reality can never depict reality as the absolute is unspeakable hence why the highest teaching will and always has been silence. Because nobody silence is where you can find those answers, as you said the absolute can NEVER be figured out by the mind. I appreciate all the assumptions you’ve made of me, but in fact I have read your posts many times and no it isn’t because it “doesn’t fit my paradigm” but because mostly you just ramble and don’t make much sense, you know there’s a think called critical thinking? If you believed everything you heard completely, I’m pretty sure none of us would be here. And yes, reality is beyond all concepts, non duality is a concept, spiral Dynamics is certainly a concept, yet when you realise THIS very moment is it, you arrive home and realise this very world is Buddha, exactly as it is! As ive said, you seem to misunderstand many masters, that’s common of hardcore seekers. if you think what Ramana is speaking about is merely oneness, then I’m not even sure where to begin haha. As many have said you’re interest and I thank you for making me laugh on several occasions, good luck using SD8 to achieve happiness. Over the last 7 months I’ve found everything I could ever want from this work, from a place of horrific confusion, to absolute peace, I can’t thank my teachers and everyone enough, life truly is magnificent when you rest here. You honestly seem like you’ve been trapped in seeking for decades, can I ask was you a psychedelic user? As I’ve said, within this work I’ve found exactly what I was after, happiness and peace. I know there’s a never ending deepening from here, and life to live and flourish on the human dimension, but life will never be the same for me, instead of speaking with quotes I’ll speak with direct experience. My knowingness has changed to know I am (as is all) the Self, there is an unbreakable silence that never leaves, no matter what I’m doing, it is always there. My experience is that there Is no other, no world, just this Self, that understanding alone has radically changed my life. On top of that, I no longer say “I’m enlightened” as there is no enlightened person here, just the Self, and enlightenment and non duality are both concepts that eventually must be dropped. There is also no mind, just thoughts that rise and leave awareness all in good time, and everything is absolutely perfect as it is. All is left is the absolute and to now live an amazing life, doing whatever I love and whatever I want to in that moment. I hope you are happy, as I hope all are happy and I hope many on here will relieve their own personal suffering, I know how shit this path can be. As I said, I’ve found what I’m after, have you? @Haumea2018 care to help me out here mate? ?

@Consept I have a session with my teacher every 2 weeks, well I did, I’m near the “end” so it’s more about dropping everything and resting in the now, absolute etc for me atm. Its on zoom, the only downside is that it costs, but they are normal fully self realised people and my teacher is mother to 3 children. Just google Rasa Ramaji and it’s his website, he wrote the book “1000” which is kinda prerequisite to the teaching the plus side is there’s lots of people who can give RASA and teach these days, so if you don’t resonate with Ramaji or Ananda Devi then they have a list of others i can vouch enough how beneficial it has been, it’s for those who are sick of seeking and are actually ready to finish all of this and finally wake up! They have a YT channel as wel, although it’s not on Eckhart or Ruperts production standards lol. Google Ramaji / Ananda Devi / RASA and you’ll find them, I’m not allowed to post links here I don’t think, sorry mate, feel free to PM and I’d be happy to talk about it more

@V-8 Some Wui We Wui quotes you might find interesting... As long as there is a 'you' doing or not-doing, thinking or not-thinking, 'meditating' or 'not-meditating' you are no closer to home than the day you were born. The path that one person follows is not the correct path for any other person. Each of us must walk his own path to enlightenment— that is the way. - Everyone is unique, therefore, just because meditation is useless for you doesn't mean that's the case for everyone... When you give a shilling to a beggar – do you realise that you are giving it to yourself? - Explanation of no other. Reality alone exists – and that we are. All the rest is only a dream, a dream of the One Mind, which is our mind without the ‘our’. Is it so hard to accept? Is it so difficult to assimilate and to live?- Jee this guy is good, can tell he studied with Ramana Maharshi, an indication that The Self is all. THIS which is seeking is THAT which is sought, and THAT which is sought is THIS which is seeking- Ahh, so similar to other teachers I mentioned, he truly is a master. And let's finish with the one you used (well half used LOL) The practice of meditation is represented by the three monkeys, who cover their eyes, ears, and mouths so as to avoid the phenomenal world. The practice of non-meditation is ceasing to be the see-er, hearer or speaker while eyes, ears and mouths are fulfilling their function in daily life. - Do you not see how he is equating non-meditation to explain it isn't YOU meditating and that it is merely what you are not something you DO. 'Non-Meditation' is literally what I have been speaking about in all these posts lol, in realizing you are this Primordial Awareness, and then your knowing permanently shifts to this understanding and you live in a 24/7 state of meditation, as the silence becomes unbreakable, you have arrived at the absolute. I'm also glad he mentions it becoming a permanent understanding in ordinary life, that is a clear sign of someone who has 'finished' seeking. This is the danger when seekers such as yourself get hold of these quotes, you completely misinterpret them and believe they are saying something they just aren't, he is literally saying the same as Ramana, Nisgardatta etc (he even studied under Ramana ffs) yet from an English, western background. He just uses the term Non-Meditation instead of resting in the absolute, resting in the I am, 'True meditation as the Primodial Awareness' personally I'm not a big fan of non terms but if it works for people I'm glad I'm glad I went to the source of these quotes and you've helped me uncover another amazing master, thank you

When someone fully awakens they often drop the need for Non-Dual teachings, so he likely means he won't be reading anymore spirituality/ non-dual books. However I'm sure there's other topics he will still read more into

@Inliytened1 Exactly he hasn't had a realization that he literally is the universe yet, there's a long way to go there it seems. And then it goes even deeper than that!

@V-8 You're genuinely one of the strangest blokes I've ever seen on here, you make little to no sense and think awakened beings want to get people addicted to meditation? I literally gave you quotes of masters advocating meditation and you ignored them, which is strange. Ever seen Osho's quotes on meditation? You keep mentioning ever present awareness etc True Meditation is literally the practice of stabilizing oneself in this unbreakable silence, this awareness, whatever you want to call it. Other forms of meditation can be helpful for other things.