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Wim Hof calling out the BULLSHIT of Big Pharma! And, also saying his vision of a society built on Love, what a man!

@Inliytened1 Yes, certainly someone can be awakened as fuck and then act like a complete twat and cheat in his wife, abuse his students and abuse his power. However, to be that is a sign of an 'incomplete' awakening, as after awakening to love and embodying it I feel the capacity to do such things reduces massively. I know many here don't like the LOC scale, but I'll bring it in as it applies well here for this scenario. What you're basically describing is the LOC 700s, where the 'I am the Universe/ God/ Everything' rhetoric comes in. Don't get me wrong it's an AMAZING awakening and puts an end to the whole No-Self jargon which I think we both have had enough of on here However, this awakening can occasionally be used to say 'I'm enlightened, I'm the whole universe and I'm superior to you, so I can treat you how I want!' This happened in cases such as Bentino Massano, Mooji, and Ramaji had Osho in the 700s also. But, it is clear these people are awakened isn't it, however, their behavior didn't align at all, which is both an embodiment and the fact the true opening to infinite love and The Self/ God as being IT hasn't been recognized. Any sort of superiority is dropped with true Self-Realisation, that's kind of my other issue here with Psyches, if they make people think they're superior, then they aren't a true awakening, which is the most humbling thing possible when you literally realize you are the SAME as everyone else, and there simply isn't a hierarchy. There is just beings who have recognized the nature of their own being, and those who haven't, either way, EVERYONE is The Self/ God and everyone is you. Any notions of superiority and being better is instantly wiped away. So I don't think embodiment is something to take lightly, if we look at beings such as Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille, Adya, Ramana Maharshi and Nisgardatta (All at 'LOC 1000') they are exact examples of what I mean, they have aligned their lives with truth, happiness and peace. And, this doesn't mean you have to become a teacher or anything, just simply your life becomes an expression of peace, love and happiness in all areas such as Work, Relationships, Activities, Actions, Thoughts, and Feelings. So, to me becoming a Zen Devil would quite frankly be the sign there is further to go either in awakening sense or embodiment sense. And, just to be clear here, I am far from perfect in this area, as I am still very much integrating as most of us here are (for example in Zen they say it can take up to 7 years to truly integrate, @Haumea2018 has been at '1000' for 2 years, and said it involves a LOT of shadow work and purification) The thing is people will then think oh if you're still doing work how can you be awake?!?!?!?!? That's also my gripe with the No-Self clan, it seems as much as 'there's nothing to do and nobody here' they don't want to face the shadow and dark side within, because it really isn't fun at times I can tell you that! But, you could easily do Shadow work and purification pre-awakening, it just becomes a LOT easier when the I-thought is no longer in the way sabotaging you. And lastly, to me understanding The Self/ The Absolute, and not living like it is simply not understanding the teaching fully, embodiment can bring even deeper levels of harmony and being in my experience as you aren't living 'against' the Truth. For example, I would imagine an awakened being would find it hard to then go and be a marketer for McDonald's and continue poisoning kids, I feel they'd be called to move to a company doing the opposite if you get me. I rambled on a bit there but in one sentence- I don't see Zen Devils as fully awake, to me integration and embodiment is so so important, and Realisation and Insights are like Chapter 1-2 in the book! I think Rupert talks about this somewhere, I'll try and find it @Display_Name Not until I'm 25 Also, I'm currently still working on embodiment and integration and the 'clearing' stage of this work, so right now it wouldn't be right for me, maybe in several years as a test it could be fun @fridjonk Wrong! 5MEO takes you to LOC99999999999!

@fridjonk My main point is that I’m not denying Psyches give amazing insights and experiences, never once have I denied Leo’s awakenings. However, true awakening is beyond states and experiences. Again, I am not saying Psyches can’t help with this, they help on many people’s journey, however, we always end up back here with This, so yes, use them to help, but when are you going to face reality as it is, now? and, to me, in Leo’s case he doesn’t seem Awake, he seems he’s had very deep awakenings and insights but doesn’t abide there on a day to day basis, could be wrong, but that’s how his messages are coming across. Again, I think Psyches are a great tool for insights and experiences, the real work to me is then embodying and integrating each trip, which probably would take more than 1 week no? @Inliytened1 I am open minded, I said I’m open to the fact they are clearly incredibly helpful and powerful as I have said. And, of course they induce mystical states and experiences, I’ve never doubted that. But, awakening isn’t about experiences, I am not denying Leo has had incredibly deep experiences and insights. My doubts are his abidance and day to day being when sober. And, in regards to the teachings, of course many of his are incredibly helpful, and I’m happy they helped you, that’s why I’m saying it’s clear these insights and teachings have come from his direct experience, in just not sold on the whole more awake than anyone else bonanza, and that he’s actually awake full stop, that’s all. I have conversed with many on and outside this forum regarding this and many share similar concerns. Not that it really matters, you’re entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. I certainly support Psyches being used on ones path, but I feel there’s a difference between use and abuse of anything in life, and as I mentioned in the end This is it, here, now. And Leo won’t give a fuck what I think, why would he, it’s his life and his will to do whatever the fuck he wants. All I ask for is maybe a bit more precaution when recommending to young people, these are very powerful substances.

@Nahm Well said as always, my friend. @Peter124 This is a common mistake in Non-Dual circles, equating all desire= bad. I'm guessing you didn't watch the video. The form of the desire you are talking about is personal desire, in terms of desiring things because you think they will make you happy. Desiring a Girlfriend because you think they will solve all of your issues and finally make you happy is one example. Of course, this is destined to fail, as this person won't be able to make you happy eventually, and you'll then be left on your search. Awakening and the realization of our true being is of course the source of true peace and happiness, the 'kind' that never leaves us. From there, we then desire to express this peace, happiness, love and joy. from this place of wholeness and fulfilment we may wish to express this love with another being in the form of a romantic relationship or friendship, however, the big difference is we don't need a Girlfriend to BE happy, we simply have the desire to express happiness and love through the medium of relationship. That being said, everybody is different, and not everyone will desire a relationship, that was just an example of the difference in desire. As Nahm said Desire is literally creation, without it, we wouldn't be breathing, without it we wouldn't exist in this dimension, it was God's/The Absolutes desire to create and share that created all of this in the first place, and it came from what? A desire to SHARE, for the sake of it, of course, either way the absolute is completely fulfilled and at peace! @Peter124 In regards to your last post, I understand what it's like, Ego freakouts are very scary, it's kind of like realizing you've been lied to for X amount of years. But 'dying' doesn't mean anything true in you dies, it simply means the false is seen through, and you are reborn as you truly are, a unique expression of The Absolute, and from this place you are free to be who you are COMPLETELY! It doesn't mean you just give up on life and call it quits, it simply means life evolves and is lived in line with your new understanding of yourself and reality. It isn't easy, but it is always worth it.

@Matteo Of course, and that is why I said who knows in a decade we could see hundreds of 5MEO awakened beings, just so far we haven't at all. So far it seems it creates a sense of delusion, narcissism and Inflation (did anyone read the articles linked?) That being said, I am of course opening to this changing and am not tied to one path, if the psychedelic path proves to be more effective in helping raise people's consciousness and awaken them, I'm all for it. Like I already said, Psychedelics can give people incredible insights, experiences and even healing modalities, I'm just not convinced on Leo's whole more awakened than the Buddha based on how he acts on here, what he says and his videos that's all. At this point I would not class him as awake at all in fact, this doesn't mean I'm dismissing his Experiences or Insights at all btw, I'm talking about Self-Realisation, not just insights and experiences, while great, no experience lasts forever, no matter how high you go always end back here, with THIS.

@Nexeternity So Leo is still seeking then? Ramaji mentioned it recently actually that Leo isn’t in Non-Duality, therefore, isn’t awakened, can’t have it both ways. And, yes, very rarely are people asked their age when psyches are recommended, they just are recommended, I have no problem with psyches, my issue is with reckless recommendations to people too young for them. As I clearly stated I am not talking badly of psyches, they are great medicines for the right people, at the right time and when used responsibly of course. Never once did I dispute that. Of course “responsible use” is quite a blanket term, to me using a synthetic chemical weekly in quite high doses isn’t responsible, to others it may be. Maybe a safety post should be made on Psyches regarding the points you made, as I do see them recommended without any age questions. Ive even seen them recommended after by someone after they said they almost committed Suicide during a trip on here. My main point, is that I’m yet to see any awakened beings who are proponents of this 5MEO path, that’s all. Who knows, in a decade there could be 1000s.

2 Weeks in for me, doing wither 3x30 breaths or 4x40 breaths followed by roughly a 3 minute cold shower, still need to try that 10 minute cold shower, will try tonight I think- now this will be a challenge!

Desire is not the cause of suffering lol, without desire you'd die. this was a HUGE mistranslation from Sanskrit, a more accurate term would be craving or more, believing the fulfillment of a personal desire will make you happy. (It won't) When you desire to receive, for the sake of sharing your life will change. The happiest people are always those who are giving, sharing and loving. The issue with modern society is desiring for the self alone, and this is an endless void you can never fill. For whatever reason, desire has gotten a terrible rep in Non-Dual circles, when desire is literally your life force, you're on here due to your desire to awaken, or your desire to share. Also, 'Impersonal desire' can be somewhat misleading, and it doesn't mean you don't take care of your own needs of course. It just means your desire is coming from a place of love, truth and happiness, instead of in search of those. For example, let's say you play sport, and have the desire to play for a Football team. Personal desire would be because you think playing for this team will make you happy, make you popular, and when you win the league you will finally be happy. Impersonal desire would be because you simply love playing football and it's a way you express happiness and joy. Of course, you want to win your games and win the league, but your happiness and wellbeing is not determined by it. Sure if you win the league you'll be elated and ecstatic, but let's say you don't you'll deal with the emotions that come up, and guess what, you'll remain absolutely happy and at peace. Francis Lucille describes this amazingly well, I'll link one of his Q&A answers and vids that explains this well. As well as his website. (sorry his q&a website seems down atm)

@Leo Gura I know RASA isn’t perfect, (especially for some of the people trained it from what this thread has said) and neither are Ramaji or Amanda are perfect, however they’ve helped so many students awaken using the 1-1 and coaching, and of course you shouldn’t rely on a Guru, they repeatedly say you are your own Guru. I can’t help but think you’re mainly saying this as Ramaji was someone who called you out and humbled you, by telling you, you aren’t awake and using his method in the 500s (still seeking, and not stabilised in awakening) You of course took this as him being wrong as how could Leo not be awake right? Of course that could be the case, but I wouldn’t expect anything different. I know you’ll say, well that was X years ago, but even now, similar has been said. There’s no doubting you’ve had deep awakenings, insights and experiences, but it’s so clear from how you act on here and what you say, that you simply don’t abide there, and aren’t Self-Realised at all, hence why you are now calling awakening a state, to cover up the fact you aren’t actually truly awake. Awakening isn’t simply an experience or a state. I would really look into Inflation, Grandeur and Narcissism, as you show the clear signs for all 3. Anyone else wanting to understand what’s going on here may also want to read these. http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/inflation.html http://samvak.tripod.com/journal66.html In regards to delusions, I would say there’s more risk of that on this path, such as delusions regarding becoming the most awake being of all time? True awakening humbles you. And, they don’t harbour ignorance regarding Psyches, when ask they have said multiple times they can be amazing in the right context for whatever reason, and have helped many people on their journey. The difference is, they, like many, can see you are simply abusing a substance and the risks that come with that. More importantly, you have a HUGE amount of impressionable 16-25 year olds following you who will basically do what you say, so if you tell them to do psyches regularly they’ll go do it. This is literally a matter of time before something serious blows up out of this, while when used correctly psyches can be amazing, recommending it to Kids is still very dangerous Leo, id be really careful in that regard. It isn’t delusional, to offer warnings around things that CAN (not will) cause harm. And, I am NOT anti Psyches, in fact I actively promote them when used in the right context and safely they can be amazing, I am certainly not denying that. All I am saying is the two biggest proponents of 5MEO you and Martin Ball, neither are actually awake. And, just to be clear I am not saying I am the most awake being ever, RASA helped me a lot realise the truth of my own being, and of reality, but simply at the end of the day you are always your own Guru, and follow whatever path works for you. Maybe more people will see that you saying “X isn’t awake” without you actually being truly awake is the most ironic thing possible. Lastly, I just want to say this comes from a place of love. I have zero against you Leo, and of course it is your path, I am merely saying what I see, and to me it seems these substances are effecting you in ways you haven’t noticed yourself, but many inside this community and outside are beginning to notice& please be careful when recommending these substances to those younger than 25.

@EntheogenTruthSeeker Different strokes for different folks mate. My experience was the complete opposite. I don’t think there’s one path for everyone at all, whatever resonates most with you go with that!

@EntheogenTruthSeeker I worked with Ananda for 9 months with 1-2 sessions a month before reaching so called LOC 1000, but even then, that’s still just a concept, a useful one, but eventually still needs to be dropped. People vary in how long it takes, some could take years, I know some take a couple sessions (then of course have integration) Every case is unique, and a number of things play into that. Receptiveness to the teachings, built up beliefs, conceptual understandings, Seeking past, you could even argue “past lives” If you believe in any of that. I first hand know RASA isn’t some magic pill, it simply helps clear blockages and experience your true nature, to me the 1-1 sessions were just as if not more valuable in clearing my blockages and issues along the path, it also helped with integration each time. Plus, only You can ever know your own “LOC”/ awakening, you are the guru. I personally haven’t had 1 session with Ramaji, only worked with Ananda and she was amazing, Ramaji seems great in Satsang and I know @Haumea2018 worked with Ramaji. This all said, maybe it isn’t the right path for you, there’s no one right path for everyone

@Matteo if they’re advertising it takes a few sessions then that’s BS, Ramaji and Ananda are pretty open that it takes (usually) around a year, and even then you will have integration and embodiment work. If someone is saying it takes a few sessions that’s BS, there is no quick fix, even if you have a spontaneous realization like Ramana you then have integration work, for example, Eckhart Tolle sat on benches for years! There is no quick fix, even with psyches you will have plenty of integration work, if you look for a quick fix you’ll just chase your tail forever.

@Smiles You can do both, but usually one will take the front seat so to speak. For example, there will likely be a period when you're a hardcore seeker that 'The Work' takes your primary focus so maybe your career and relationship don't grow like you'd want them to. But then say post-awakening, you are freed from seeking, and therefore free to express this understanding in all areas of life and can actually 'merge' the two by 'improving' your life Consciously in terms of career, health, finances, relationship etc, but while you can still learn from typical Self-Help teachers you'd likely add your own flavor and depth to make them more in line with your own understanding. One thing many Non-Dual 'students' forget is that we still need to embrace our humanity, and Human work never ends until we drop the body. However, it can vary, some may want to go and sit in an Ashram and meditate for the rest of their days, whereas, some will want to delve deeper than ever in their career and have a family. It's absolute freedom, and absolutely it makes no difference whatsoever, just follow your heart. And, awesome man, society changes one individual at a time, and it sounds so cliche and corny but it does feel there's some kind of collective awakening going on, I mean you didn't have Non-Duality teachers on every corner even 10-15 years ago, now YT is flooded with them, these sorts of forums were a lot rarer as well, it seems humanity is starting to wake up! @Carl-Richard Exactly, as a seeker it can be hard to 'combine' the two, but often, post-awakening, this confusion is cleared and life can be 'built' on a whole new paradigm that is aligned with Truth, Love and Happiness. It's beautiful.

@Keyhole @pluto I hope these messages can somewhat get through, these are important, even without these entities the excess use of these substances is bound to cause energy and physical problems at the very least. @pluto I have also noticed this when I go out drinking, people will become a lot more violent and aggressive, whereas, others will become a lot more outgoing and happy, would you say this is due to having a vibration beyond these entities? How do you know when the entities are effecting people?

@EntheogenTruthSeeker Who are you getting RASA with? And, if that LOC is correct, you won't notice much difference yet.

@Osaid That's a good place to start, 10-30 seconds at the end, but eventually just dive in and go straight for the cold!

My advice would be to follow your heart, and if that is telling you to pursue Psyches then go with that, or if it is telling you to take a break from all of this work and go enjoy 'normal' life without considering spirituality go do that. In my view, it will probably do you worse to force yourself to keep 'seeking' if it isn't coming naturally. From your descriptions, it potentially sounds like more typical practices of healing and dealing with the issues you are facing may be a better approach to take, for example, you mentioned long term depression and not being over the girl you are/was in love with. So, in these cases, I usually ask what are your fundamentals like? Depression is usually caused by something being out of whack, our natural way of being is happiness and peace. So by fundamentals I mean your Diet, Exercise, Sleep, EMF exposure, Vitamin& Mineral levels, do you have addictions to things like Porn, Phone, Weed, etc, are you over stimulated by Dopamine? Do you get outside much/ in nature much at all, even things like that can really help. To me, these should be addressed before we then move onto Spirituality and awakening. However, in regards to your emotions ALWAYS feel them fully, do not resist. Whatever you resist will persist! Treat ALL emotions and thoughts like guests in your guesthouse, LOVE them unconditionally and welcome them, only then can you start to investigate and truly understand their true nature. Also, sorry to hear about your lackluster RASA experience, mine was the complete opposite, I worked 9 months with Ananda Devi and it was the single most helpful thing on my journey, it was also the 1-1 sessions which really helped overcome blockages and integrate the insights from RASA. Who was your RASA facilitator out of interest? I'm biased, but maybe you weren't at the end of seeking, and it wasn't the right time for you to undertake RASA and were looking for some kind of shortcut. It doesn't exist. True awakening will also involve facing your shadow and the depths of your being, unfortunately, it isn't all sunshine and rainbows. But, it's always worth it. Or, what @Salvijus said. Problem is we come from materialistic and scientific backgrounds (mostly) so it can take a while to get on board with the whole 'energy blockages' and kind of new-age terms like that, but transmissions are based on grace and energy, so if you go down the Psyche path it's best to stick with that and not mix, same as if you go down the 'typical' path of transmissions and whatnot, it's best not to mix that with Psyches. You also have to remember transmissions have been used for 1000s of years, the highest teaching has always been silence. All words are simply modulations of this teaching to help express and explain the teaching in various ways to relate to most people. This video explains transmissions pretty well. In terms of RASA, it isn't personal, it is simply presence being shared and helping clear the blockages someone has. Not about getting high and having amazing experiences. They also actually don't give RASA to anyone who's tripped in the last 6-12 months usually. Awakening isn't an experience. https://www.rasatransmissioninternational.com/spiritual-transmissions

Question- Why place so much value on anyone else's opinion? What makes their opinion more authoritative than your own? You're your own Guru. If you resonate with Rumi, go read his poems

@electroBeam I completely agree absolutely speaking nothing matters. But, when you truly understand nothing matters, and you’ve truly understood THIS, you’ve found the “thing” that does matter. Happiness. Love. My worry is that your average No-Self teacher falls into the trap of nothing matters, without an awakening to Love, leaving it as kind of Non-Dual Nihilism that you see a lot. Once “Nothing Matters” is fused with Love, the issue is non existent, of course to The Self/ Absolute, absolutely nothing matters whatsoever, and in fact nothing ever happens either, and everything is perfect as it is.

@SOUL Must admit that is a great description of the No-Self dogma. One thing I hope- our public services workers don’t awaken without the awakening to love and start regurgitating “nothing matters” there’s nobody there to their patients!

If you want you could try the Wim Hof method for a few weeks. Breathing Exercises + Cold showers and cold exposure therapy, although, cold showers can be tricky at first!

@Nahm Bro, you’re fucking awesome, by far the most helpful and understanding guy on here, and I’ve only heard good things from your students. Just wanted to say “you” are a legend, also, do you cover manifestation in your sessions / is that a big part of your dream board?

Here's something ironic, Sadhguru talks about mahasamadhi around a Yogi he met and his wife. Essentially it's leaving the body consciously when you are ready to and want to, without waiting for an illness or old age to lead to your death, so it is very much something you have to be willing and want to do. I feel you have a lot more to give Leo before you leave this reality, but then again it's completely up to you. Most people tend to be old of course, but many are young who do this, such as Sadhguru's wife, it usually comes in the form of a desire that your work here is done, and it's time to move on. However, for most of us we won't be ready for or want this. I know I don't yet! So, it's best to focus on living life the best we can and integrating this understanding in all areas of life, and most importantly having fun and enjoying life!

@Pallero Well said also!!!

@Leo Gura Great response, agree 100% with that. I feel some people want to dive in at the deep end in their first swimming lesson, which is fine, just be prepared for a few times where you almost drown. As you mentioned, even post awakening these things have their relative importance, unless you plan to become a monk or hermit, which I suspect not that many on here do. Out of curiosity do you plan to teach on any of those things you listed above? I was speaking to someone the other day, it’s going to be fun when the first/ more truly awakened nutritionists, bodybuilders, money coaches, businessmen, school teachers, interior designers, athletes etc start popping up everywhere.