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@cle103 first find out that i`m not a dude and you don`t speak with respect to me, and you seriously are getting entangled in your own false beliefs as you obviously enjoy it to be accused as your soul gave the consent to it, so i don`t have any reason to treat you with any respect and you maybe wanted to hear the other part of the story. if you don`t get your metaphysics straight life will definitively be not easy for you. i hope you love your mom. not in that brutal twisted way. the way you treat others is just the way you treat yourself. you can`t even face it how brutal this trip is selfjustifying what men society projects onto women. because you already started running. you can`t even keep the claim for a second, not if the devil hunts you cuts off your dick and serves it to the dogs.

@cle103 did that get your head straight? you really have to work on that - you will make yourself sad if you don`t as it`s completely toxic. if you are able to overcome what is demonizing you and start to accept that karma is not the souls game but the ego`s game you can work on your toxicisity towards yourself - i don`t even know why i help you here, might be you still have a chance to work through what the trip offered to you. work on your metaphysics - you don`t get it right. it`s the female pain body you have to love to heal yourself. brutality is part of the world already. love is what remains when you take away all brutality of it and exchange it with what you really care for. then of course both souls have to consent to it.

yes exactly because there`s no one at home in you, except for the deamon.

the justification is your interpretation of what karma is. you seek the same justification to it like someone entrapped in a kast system would do. what makes you entrapped in your karma. at one point it will come back at you - you can`t eskape it. god invented the possibility because god is still in survival mode and basically self aggression and dick driven - in kriya aspects you are so far away from reaching enlightenment as you are a worm who doesn`t want to see light. because maybe god didn`t give you the ability to think for yourself. it`s ok as karma works without you having any controll over it, it will bite its own tail as it will just fuck up your soul more and more. hope at least the art you make will bring you some liberation so you can be reborn somewhere close to the ones you abuse. as i can`t see any healthy relationship somewhere near you. but you probably have no problem with it as you love lifes brutality to the point where you can justify anything without consequences, but karma doesn´t care for you. because there will be no light at the end of the tunnel.

@Serotoninluv thank you for the pre/trans fallacy hint - i just recived a tarot card deck and i realized how people interprete the fool sometimes as the prepersonal. although the prepersonal in a sense is purple. but there is a deeper connection about the falling back into the fool while awakening to the spiral and personal religion and transpersonal religion as we all start out as fool. sometimes it`s maybe good to understand that we also remain fools, even as magicians the personal/spiritual remains as the prepersonal, and it`s maybe the hardest to overcome even if we divide into it deeply it will maybe ultimatively guide us deeper into the flames of what was burned, awakening to the high priestess or the mystical religion our feminine and in that sense caring and preserving aspect that preserves the magic to be given from generation to generation is the same as the historical one. where knowledge is burned, the feminine is too. the paradox of course is that the books also are used to burn the mystical aspect of knowledge. the same as the magician still is keeping a dagger on the table when not able to heal the prepersonal, maybe even needs to keep the dagger on the table in the transpersonal when arrived at the more female aspect. red is very difficult to overcome in any person. so i just wanted to tell you that your teaching aspect is protected by sophia and saraswati she`s with you also in the meditation room, not only on the paper , but because you transcend them. i didn`t know how to tell it differently to tell you that i appreciate it tremendously that i can bring this into more understanding. I´ll try to work with it some more. so at one point we maybe can return to the source with no regrets.

@cle103 hope you try to understand what karma means, whatever the reason you have to go through this, either you produced it just there or it is something that came up due to aggression that is stored in you, be aware karma is not about the consent of both souls, it is about breaking the cycle of harming not only other souls that get entangled with you but stopping to do that what harms others in your soul. probably not by ignoring it, but to realize if you have really fucked up karma to handle, at least be aware that there are alternative communities where you could even test if your soul would give the consent to what your ego wants if it was the other way round - i doubt that you understood deeply what karma means. @Leo Gura there is a lot of soft brain in this thread. it`s so soft that you can`t even call it brain anymore.

there is no enlightenment to this, it´s a hard wakeup call to get the head straight, because it´s in some ways really fucked up spirituality.

the deeper component is to experiencing the justification as a soul instead of an ego. the justification is so perfect that the ego even thinks it could get it`s hands on two of them. and still the ego gets applause for the breakthrough.

@Scholar see

@Serotoninluv actually thanks for this one, as well. i`ll research that. @Scholar just stop it now it`s not a battle. if you name yourself scholar what do you expect?

@Scholar i still play i spy with my little eye and that is...

@Scholar are we playing now: guess the colour? mhhh orange? with a little mix of red? and some well meant green in the bottom line?

haha no i meant the doors. but i might also understand what you are refering to, and why you are acting out blue in that case. are you aware when you act blue? or was it red acting blue?

@Scholar you can`t be a very tall person. because if you would be tall you would understand what relative means.

@Serotoninluv ok i see what you are refering to. it`s getting more complex if the system is complex, if seen in a systemic way it`s sometimes difficult to discern system operting mode from personal operating mode. i`m not really good in actually discerning what the cognitive stages in people are based on the way they are talking, yet. thanks for the good examples! i`m still learning the structures and connections, but i sometimes miss on the practice and theoretical foundation.

why do you think orange is spectral? you mean simply spectral like without a spiral system behind? would a green person not go by bike? don`t take me serious spiral dynamics is really difficult the more the colours have to fit.

@Serotoninluv a question about absolutism and how it might not be orange... i realize that in the science world it might seem like orange but who says science is operating in orange? if the system is blue, let`s say all hirarchical systems that operate on a belief into the system might be in a sense blue, then it would be easier to discern someone who believes in the system as blue, someone who uses the system for personal gains as orange, someone who uses it for more social and environmental purposes would be green, although it would get interesting as the colours mix so turquoise

fundamentally you also are the person who fed the chicken to itself.

wowowo what`s going on in this thread, is as if the lion would eat up a lot of spiritual ego`s. what exactly is the self bias of a meat eater? what exactly is the selfbias of a pedophil? there are a lot of topics mixed together, fact is it`s not sufficient to compare meat eating "spirituals" to "unspiritual" non meat eating "predators". in the end you could ask who is more spiritual a conciously talking human or an unconciously non acting predator? of course the lion is extremely self biased...it doesn`t know about the concept of love or peacful living, or does it? what has spirituality to do with that? conciousness probably. spirituality is something that happens in conciousness.

in general i think there might be something to it. but candida also feeds on suggars and fast accessible starch, so it`s not only about the heavy metals, even though zeolite might also remove the toxins that are released from candida. so if you fear you have a candida overgrowth in your gut, a change in food habits might also help you, especially vegans who eat a lot of wheat flour based products and suggary products might feed their candida in an unhealthy way. against candida and bacteria you could also try neem. which is used in ayurvedic medicine agains parasites bacteria and candida. the cleansing therapy i got was ayurvedic panchakarma treatment what means cleansing the body in 5 ways. it`s difficult to recreate ayurvedic therapy at home as it`s really a complex medicine system, but you could cleanse the guts by plugging some hundred milliliters of warm sesame oil once in a while - if you already plug psychedelics, shouldn`t be a problem. also nasyas you can do that at home. or you try two teaspoon of emblica powder with cocunut oil oraly in the evening, from time to time, but you have to stay at home then the next day (taste is totally disgusting also). ayurveda is good in tackling psychological issues on a body level. if you ask me if i felt psychologically better, yes it felt very satvic - also because i felt pain relief and such but i also had different severe problems. i find it very difficult to speak from a general view of candida overgrowth... as every gut system is differently inhabited. there are so many approaches - try zeolite, it will certainly not be a disatvantage!

real estate market is really one of the biggest problems to solve, even the value creating part of real estate business. value creating regulations can lead to regress even more sometimes than it will lead to healthy fair living if the market is a hot market for investment. as creation is not always value creation. it`s not only a matter of building living space but how we build living space and the same as with money it`s a question about how many flats is one person to own? thousand? threethousand? is it a healthy garden or chicken in batterie cages? the biggest problem is, if there are no civil groups who work together with communal groups on urban development together with visionary architects and designers and green people who might have solutions for a more social longterm view as they already are deeply involved in these matters. like investing in green technology, more sustainable living space can probably not be created if we only think about body storage or money investment on bigger scales. gathering people who invest with small money into sustainable projects is one of the more win win orientated way to go, as either creating the space one wants to live in or investing into a reasonable project is more important if people have to overthink their investment twice. these projects are of course also the more difficult to plan and might not lead to the maximum of monetary outcome. would be nice if politics would support these projects in some way, also giving support to people who already created spaces like that. just taking away spaces that are occupied by old structures that already are giving space for more healthy living and working is also a way of disowning people of living space - question is what`s the greater disownment, healthy living or misused land. it`s extremely sad to see how city structures which have been ensouled by alternative living get dissouled through unregulated markets while there are no alternative spaces for the souls who where inhabiting the space. what`s left is merely a ghost of what was once alive. it`s a disconnection of source as creativity needs inexpencive space if not it can`t survive, what will automatically end in a economic depression. money can`t recreate itself in the long run only life can. also i think higher taxes on flats the owner is not living in will only be handed through to the tenants. if we are talking about second and third houses or flats that are not inhabited that might be another thing.

@Schahin zeolite can probably help to cleanse the gut a lot. although if you want to get rid of specific toxins you would probably need to do some more research about how to cleanse the specific tissues from the toxin. if it`s about a specific disease or problem you are trying to fight, prepare for a lot of different approaches to do so. try to see it more wholistically as of course the zeolite might carry out some toxins of the gut that are already located there but it can not in all cases, only to a certain degree do an exchange on a molecular level - that is in zeolite still a lot. generally speaking i`d try it. but for deeper cleansings you would need to be more specific about what the problems are. for what i had it was not sufficient, i had to do other cleansings that finally had an effect. really depends on what issues you have - it`s still probably a very good cure for some time. i would pause after some weeks. as it also can take up nutritients off the gut, wait some time between food or supplement intake and zeolite intake.

do they even have rabbits in the savane? also i heard lions don`t hunt they let the girls do all the work.

you all just don`t get it god/ess is not just a gamer s/he is all players... just immagine there are more than six eyes on the dice, infact there are infinitely numbers of eyes on the dice. and no one realizes it`s a card game.

it`s a phenomenon we can see in a lot of casestudies especially in business. the "theranos" blogpost on leo`s blog is a very good example to have a taste on that. it`s a complete cascade of downfalls. and also shows how powerfull spiral dynamics can get to unravel devilish and criminal activities connected to powerposition. what we see as regressing back is always regress into the toxicity of that stage still holding a powerposition, not into the healthy aspects that would be learning process without powerposition. storyline: a yellow to turquoise thinker has an idea to help the world with a product that should simplify medical processes, the aim is very selfless and overall good and lovable in the classical sense. first fall: she starts a yellow business that aims to reach as many people as possible, liberal profit oriented, though. second fall: she falls from yellow right into orange because it get`s more important to maintain the idea/money (can`t say which one of it it is, as i don`t believe she was heartless) and then falls right into blue by holding everything together through the pyramid structure of the business which was probably even red. so what`s the problem here? does anybody see this? what happened to turquoise, where is green? why does powerposition lead to regress?