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@ivankiss motion and time are different concepts. i never said motion or movement does not exist. also decay or motionlessness does exist. but you need to tap into infinity to see that. it does not matter to what you awaken this is an unchangeable truth.

@ivankiss you still didn’t get it. literally what yo call time does not exist. stop trying to be so self assured - you did not even sit down and really reflect what people here try to make yo aware of. you are right in some linear dynamics which assume a timeline like past and future to exist in the actual moment but neither past nor future are separated from the actual moment. it’s one of the most difficult realizations to grasp. if you ever come to that point you don’t even want to call it time anymore.

we have a capacity problem in europe right now, we will have to take in the people who flee wars, maybe you guys consider fleeing to australia or some countries closer by? we will probably find a solution. actually this time it’s not a bitter joke.

@DrewNows you see i highly appreciate your informations and i also profit of some of it - i‘ve always taken it into account, but i recently made this experience where i realized, sometimes god is technology which was invented for a reason. people can abuse technology and concepts because they are too self assured, which develops into self bias. stay open to the possibility that pharmaceuticals still save lifes at the frontline of a fight against what you might want to see through a microscope once so you can imagine it a little better. it’s not the medicine though who saves the lifes alone the practitioners are even more important, there would not be any medicine without them, they should not be biased. sometimes you need chacra heart opening and sometimes you need a defibrillator.

@DrewNows i knew people who died because of what you describe as healing or let’s say it was palliative work and i know old people who survived because of chemo. i guess i stay with the empirical evidence in my direct experience. i don’t want to make a difference between medicine and medicine just because both types claim monopoly. throwing out what doesn’t serve you is a bit radical isn’t it?

@DrewNows and that’s why you throw it away alltogether? - you are caught up in green thinking for your own countries benefit, which is not really green, but falls partially back into purple, what makes it seem orange. do you even integrate old people and people on the streets into that? what is available to you is only available to you because you also belong to a self biased minority who is in a situation to reject pharmaceutical medicine. but development of medicine should remain in the hand of practitioners not of pharma, that’s indeed true. you would also not want to stitch up your own wounds i suppose, or do an operation on your own heart - that’s what we need some classical medical achievements for - some things can not be healed with chakra work or energy work alone.

@DrewNows vaccine, antibiotics, immune suppressants, chemo therapeutica, radiation medicine... and there is much more what co developed - if you want to be a healer you can’t deny the scientific part of medicine you would deny a part of yourself.

@DrewNows i know - and i really appreciate what you are trying to convey - you talk from a perspective of prevention and palliative medicin. i tried to go at it from another perspective. you see, some medicine was not created for pharma industry nor was it created to harm your survival instinct - it was created to save as many lifes as possible, you can judge yourself if you feel superior to that but then accept that you are not maybe yet others lifes.

yes, you get the concept. but flavor has a quality on its own the concept of time does not have any quality inherently. infinity does not have a set quality, infinity is prior to relativity.

illusion and consciousness involve into a conversation about themselves i would say - until they rise to some kind of synthesis/interference/serendipity. what‘s the difference between illusion and imagination?

@ivankiss change the past in actuality and not in illusion.

@ivankiss but you must understand the difference between the concept of it and what it then really is. i guess that’s what the critique here is about your concept of time. it misses the accuracy to appeal to an awakened mind in relativity.

@ivankiss there is nothing like time - time is a placeholder for relative movement. you try to defy einstein - that’s impossible.

well - yeah fuck - good luck from germany. sorry for the sarcasm. but history likes autocrats it doesn’t make a difference and somehow it does not make much difference on which side we are standing - it feels like consciousness is on sale. it’s a sad story. just make sure he will get that trial. from all sides. the name of the rose was : white

@DrewNows do you think we are on this planet because the earth suffers of energy loss or do you think the earth suffers of energy loss because we are on this planet? could be another question. although i don’t really want to compare humans to parasites. you could ask where did they come from and do they have a survival agenda on their own they befall you without making differences. some parasites don’t care how much energy you contain/are/produce how much you live in alignment with the devine nature of the universe. some of these are aids, ebola, cancer they have an energy field on their own - so yes of course you can try to bring your vibration up so you don’t get or stay alive having them but it’s not your vibration alone sometimes it’s just a difference in dna which then makes the difference but this dna does not have to do anything with your vibrations or does it? there is only a very thin line between sickness and immune system. of course low immune system weakens a body additionally, there is certainly always a codependency between the energetic body and a synergist or a parasite but your energy can’t do anything against a bacteria with a highly evolved survival shield or a virus whith an evolution rate of thousands of human generations within hours. so thinking your high vibrations will keep you alive you could test that by walking unprotected into a quarantined zone - good luck with that, maybe we meet on the other side! whatever you do, stay humanist, sometimes that means to think like a realist.

but exactly that creates misunderstanding. time does not exist, only the now exists in infinity.

@Vladz0r seriously if you get any symptoms get checked at a hospital. i will get a test in two days for example because i have been in contact with an italy returner who had symptoms two weeks ago but couldn’t get a test, as the doctor then was not sufficiently equipped and didn’t know how to test - i‘m having cold symptoms since some days. i don’t want to panic, it does not seem very serious but i also don’t want to stay home for several days - so it’s in some sense only a preventive measurement to test on cases to keep it from spreading i don’t want to stay at home just because of that i also love my friends and family and would not want to infect someone on the streets. so getting tested on it in a laboratory i guess i‘m on the safe side.

well i had experiences with a multiresistent bacteria, there were only two antibiotics of one of the four groups left that would work - before i got rid of it i tried almost any other possible medications, i doubt reiki or any energy work would work with this. i tried several things like ayurvedic treatments and so on, when i was in the hospital for antibiotics someone said jokingly if it wouldn’t work we could use old methods, methods they used before they had developed medication, things they use to trigger the immune system like in cancer medicine, or what they did with tuberculosis patients before they found a cure. mostly these methods are to trigger the immune system without a vaccine which would create some kind of fever, this can for example be done through vaccinations with milk but i guess doctors today would do that differently. i totally get why the physics professor is laughing not understanding that energy work is a different form of serious medical work, just in another field. i think there is a limit to interacting with the physiospiritual bodymind and body frequency especially when the treatment is about a symbiotic or parasitic intruder to the system which is of course in a different way connected to the whole and is more than an energy blockage but the cause of the energy loss. i think it’s highly dangerous to experiment on serious illnesses or spread misinformation about infectuous diseases until it is to late - it took me almost half a year until i went to the doc because i tried to get rid of my „problems“ on my own - without antibiotics i don’t know what i would have done. but i also understand the other side although my experiences there have always been in a combination program where body frequencies have been changed through a multitude of different methods which included herbal medicine. i guess very sensitive people who train on mindbody intelligence can indeed feel mindbody frequencies and also change them. but in serious cases i‘d trust in science.

@Vladz0r ok - let‘s not overdo it. don’t get panicky - basic supplies should be ok. it’s not a system break down it’s just a pandemic.

actually chinese are pretty intelligent to not only eat one kind of food - for us it seems weird because we are not used to it and i think in some cases like eating wild animal which are in danger of extinction it is really something which i would highly criticize, but at least they are eating it and not just put these animals in their private hunting collection. in some sense the chinese are even smarter than the west. i just want to remind of the bse crisis and outbreaks of divers animal illnesses in industrial farming - which are happening once in a while. masslaughtering animals seems to be ok in these cases and was in most cases successful - but what about humans? the most astonishing is the ignorance politics in many countries.

yes they probably planted that virus into a ground hog until it was eaten by a chinese grandpa who believed ground hogs would work better than viagra. who the ( ) would spin a theory like that? but maybe we could make this a thread about the most phantastical theories on corona virus. despite the economic and consciousness fall outs in all countries, no one was prepared for.

it’s wrong researched from my side anyways it’s not a WHO specialist but a hospital doctor. he just said why should there be a difference when it is spreading in warm countries like singapore. i guess that makes sense. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zxlnmK0Ip_A&list=PLeyJPHbRnGaZobs16gyzyNBSZVAuYlwC6&index=19&t=0s

WHO says no

the doctor who found vaccine against sars works in a german clinic - they also work on a vaccine against corona but say it will probably not be found this year as it takes time.

i press all thumbs and send a lot of hopes. i‘m super afraid of autocratic systems, it’s actually my number one fear - i guess a lot of israelian people are afraid of that, too. one part is that you can not do much now - you can only vote intelligently. whatever will happen if he would get thes votes the opposition will also be strong and will have to make sure that he will get a trial anyways. you could do something to calm your mind or you go outside somewhere where people meet and discuss, it probably feels less tense if you are not alone. i press all thumbs for better democracy.