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yep, there are only dicks teaming up in this thread since leo left. if that’s the kind of god you want to create... have fun sitting in your own hell.

@Artaemis it’s also just a mirror. why treat me that way you could ask the same. i gave multiple answers which could have lead to a reflection process, it’s a sign of giving in to stubbornness. it’s not really my problem although it is. there was a time here when people were talking about the zen stick. leo gave his answers, not everyone came to the same conclusion but some did. so what should i say further - as if it would have been fast food for those who walked the path before us. this is an internet forum after all.

well corpse eaters... i still try to find them in second tier.

@Chakra Lion as long as people consume it they can’t accept to be murderers, or more so even canibals the ego manages to find excuses and denies. there is an ego mechanism which prevents them from realizing on what they are chewing on or make any conscious experience of it. i was the same, i think meat like sugar is an addiction which is even more severe than alcohol as the denial and self justification is even bigger and the negative body load not that obvious, as it usually creates issues in the colon or with the immune system or the cardiovascular system.the bigger the shadow therefore. i guess that’s what @Osaid was referring to. even leo did not get over that ego survival mode, even though he understands the mechanism. i think he tries to be vegetarian but that might have changed again - i also would find it hard to not eat dairy if i was not vegan for health reasons. the beautiful thing about that - all the inner conflict i was not aware of, chewing up other beings not only happiness but all that they are in an endless cycle of torture and murder - fell away instantly. it’s not only the physical load i feel freed of it’s also the spiritual. ohm

@Prevailer you did not get it - that’s a weeks worth koan my dear at last. you seem to like fast food.

@Prevailer what did i mean with “it”? first of all you need to mistrust your perception of the words which are used here as you are not their author, your interpretation of them must be preoccupied by your own understanding of them, that’s why you of course must go into denial coming from a blue perspective - at the beginning was the word - i would take that quite literally. because at first you need to be able to trust into anybody’s word before you could trust into god - but god is prior to that.

@Prevailer yes it does but at the same time it asks of you to align with it - growing is a constant process of expansion and maintenance. leo’s episodes about disconstruction are also very good. to understand the now you would need to travel to the past.

@mihau do you mean this? https://empowergurus.com/universal-metamodel/ nice but not right - the will to put something dynamic into a static form is also often quite blue and usually only works out correctly at a higher up level.

@mihau that’s something i worked out for myself - i don’t think it’s wise to do this from a blue state of being. it’s like everything else just some theory if you don’t learn it by heart. do chakra work and you might find out yourself. that’s the way to go. but i can have a look and discuss about that theory.

@fridjonk that’s in a sense a static picture of it. but onthogenesis is not exactly phylogenesis although in a sense it is. there is a big difference between the concept of transcending and what transcending really is. toxic blue always tries to suppress the lower stages and even in healthy has a tendency to fall back into red to maintain mind over matter.

what if you‘ve always searched for the wrong acceptance? what if she would?

@Prevailer whatever, your formula might be - did you already have a look into spiral dynamics? integration is always of some kind of help if you got stuck.

@Prevailer well yes christian sinner, what should i tell you - your god is not my god but there is only one and it’s the same for everyone because there is nothing above god and no god aside of god.

@Prevailer huh, you did what with your head? i would also try to get out there as fast as possible - it’s not good to get stuck in there.

@Prevailer all i hear is him that’s already where it’s showing that you only talk about yourself. although you make the rules, tell me you don’t - you have not really seen through your own devilry yet to tell me anything about what is and what is not devil or divine. you split yourself from what is god to make yourself superior to it. contemplate that.

@Martin123 no - how long have you been here? i thought you knew that after a certain amount of locked out people you lock yourself out. it’s not a bug but a feature

@Loving Radiance he can’t answer you...

@Prevailer you see believing in god and knowing god are two completely different things, one of it is a quite impersonal experience the other one is a very personal experience. what you belief or not belief is not of much relevance for someone who has seen into it so deeply that there is no doubt about it. your mind can’t grasp it because you are still a believer. although we could also start with the basics in sense of asking if you can know anything at all. or how you could know anything at all?

sorry to swoosh in, but purple and even red are more about the heart chakra than blue - blue is mostly about mind and control and tries to control emotions through morals and conceptual rules, which are ordered in a strictly hierarchical system. in a healthy form blue is a non dysfunctional structure which preserves order like a state apparatus. minimalism can be super blue because it’s based on structural elements. and this comment was also blue.

@Butters that’s such a trap.

stays interesting! i’m also following the developments with a lot of interest - israel is really a country with so much load from diaspora to apartheid, no one would think it’s easy, a lot of different topics which come up - the direction at the moment is towards truth - more acceptance and tolerance and a regain of values may follow. the day after the polls i was so disappointed for you, some projection happened, too. a lot of emotions came up because you posted about your fears, i actually went into internal fight mode. it’s really different if we can connect and identify with others. only reading about it in the news seems so disconnected. knowing about what goes on in others minds and emotions makes it more tangible.

@Rayster first things first - it’s difficult to get leo’s reply on that, as he will be not around, pursuing his own healing for 30 to 90 days - means up to three months. for my part i would tell you, you are encountering two to three phenomenons here. one is projection and one is pear group pressure and the third is some kind of addiction/codependency to the spiritual vehicle - which in your case you already encountered in yourself. the ability to encounter it in yourself makes you a guide for others while others seem to encounter it in you as they can’t find it yet in themselves - what will ultimately guide some of them towards an odissey wanting to see deeper and deeper into it - although there is no deeper than the truth. if you feel good with the experience for now, no you should not join them, there is so much more to experience - if you want to refresh the experience after a longer time, do it. i always felt it somehow takes away the magic if some special experiences are made an everyday event. by keeping it a special holy and magical experience you preserve its cultural and magical inheritance along with it. you are strong enough to walk your own path.

@Martin123 i don’t know you, so there are no other reasons than trying to put up a mirror. i don’t care who you try to block out or not - because if you do you only block out a source to self reflection. it’s your loss not mine.

sounds like genuine progress tsuki - the new workplace sounds awsome!!! it’s normal i guess if the environment changes you also change - interesting how much of these old patterns were system errors more than individual ones. also of course if there is a lot going on on another plain of life, some other parts fall short. it’s not bad, if staying aware you can return to these habits like journaling for example - going down with expectations of how much time bulk you have to spend journaling a little will probably serve you more than feeling bad about it. you do the journaling for yourself and show up on it for yourself. it’s still inspiring though, especially because you made these significant changes. very emancipated ?

you probably missed one there could be more jokes than one. you see every awakening can be followed by a joke but not every awakening is one.