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@ivankiss oh yes it can be pointed at: expansion and manifestation rather than contraction. if you call it black whole it’s not the black hole, the black hole is within the black whole as is light and all of it within nothing. i know guys like dark matter some fall for it others don’t. it’s better to stay in some distance to it. magnetism is still interesting.

but where does experience happen within? and where does the extension happen within? a black hole is not eternity it’s ultimate christallisation black hole is loaded matter it’s the absence of light but eternity/infinity as such is also the absence of light both are the colour black - when black contracts into black and even eats up black you encounter another form of nothingness it’s not eternity it would be the end of it. there is no guarantee for recreation - this is dark matter stuff.

@Inliytened1 indeed, it’s what we make of it.

everything is within nothing that’s why there is no duality. nothing couldn’t be within everything without being a part of it, or could it? there is no falling asleep there is no awakening if it would not happen inside of the absolute - which is the absolute. distinction is not separation indeed - openness is not contraction. cristallisation is not eternity.

@fridjonk yep, it is - and a matter of global understanding. every spiral colour can be perceived as heart chakra. but it is not the heart chakra itself - there is only one which really is in the sense of spiritual development. it’s not only a logical thing. i’m not in the position to teach that. also stage purple itself is more loving in many cases than stage blue - it’s not only the mother child relationship you are pointing out here, it’s the cradle of humanity. red also has a proud heart, because of so much solarplexus energy - but blue is the first to tap into mind over matter. (the problem here is that in many cases a fall back into red happens on a rather regular basis from blue - don’t forget blue is not turquoise. i try to only keep the structural element of blue and stay rather dynamic than static)

@Prevailer try birds perspective. that‘s my last reply in this thread.

@fridjonk - can you try to play again a little with the chakras maybe what you think is the heart of blue is already another spiral stage existing within blue. just because you are a mind person does not mean you are not already tapping into other fields of the spiral. there is never just one homogeneous population in one historical period or in one tribe. i think i understand what you are referring to. but i also think the chart is not representative. they put them just next to each other while the body is not a human chart which follows a linear count. that would be easy then wouldn’t it? if i would try to feel blue at heart - how empty would it be? the heart is usually more seen as free and without structure - so in some sense blue must be the opposite of heart chakra, but it is not mind - it’s the controller part of mind.

@Martin123 @Prevailer what are you guys even searching in a forum like this except trying to pimp up your own ego? i‘m not seing you searching for truth. if you get annoyed by reflecting others positions. only considering your word as word of god alone and at the same time not believing that you are god yourself because every word comes from god „himself“ to destroy petty human beings who are lower than you. there is no separation between the devil and god - because gods word alone is absolute. thanks for the attention may divine light illuminate you to become greater human beings, although light loves to shine through darkness.

@Prevailer then think about why. i am certainly not the reason for that.

yep, there are only dicks teaming up in this thread since leo left. if that’s the kind of god you want to create... have fun sitting in your own hell.

@Artaemis it’s also just a mirror. why treat me that way you could ask the same. i gave multiple answers which could have lead to a reflection process, it’s a sign of giving in to stubbornness. it’s not really my problem although it is. there was a time here when people were talking about the zen stick. leo gave his answers, not everyone came to the same conclusion but some did. so what should i say further - as if it would have been fast food for those who walked the path before us. this is an internet forum after all.

well corpse eaters... i still try to find them in second tier.

@Chakra Lion as long as people consume it they can’t accept to be murderers, or more so even canibals the ego manages to find excuses and denies. there is an ego mechanism which prevents them from realizing on what they are chewing on or make any conscious experience of it. i was the same, i think meat like sugar is an addiction which is even more severe than alcohol as the denial and self justification is even bigger and the negative body load not that obvious, as it usually creates issues in the colon or with the immune system or the cardiovascular system.the bigger the shadow therefore. i guess that’s what @Osaid was referring to. even leo did not get over that ego survival mode, even though he understands the mechanism. i think he tries to be vegetarian but that might have changed again - i also would find it hard to not eat dairy if i was not vegan for health reasons. the beautiful thing about that - all the inner conflict i was not aware of, chewing up other beings not only happiness but all that they are in an endless cycle of torture and murder - fell away instantly. it’s not only the physical load i feel freed of it’s also the spiritual. ohm

@Prevailer you did not get it - that’s a weeks worth koan my dear at last. you seem to like fast food.

@Prevailer what did i mean with “it”? first of all you need to mistrust your perception of the words which are used here as you are not their author, your interpretation of them must be preoccupied by your own understanding of them, that’s why you of course must go into denial coming from a blue perspective - at the beginning was the word - i would take that quite literally. because at first you need to be able to trust into anybody’s word before you could trust into god - but god is prior to that.

@Prevailer yes it does but at the same time it asks of you to align with it - growing is a constant process of expansion and maintenance. leo’s episodes about disconstruction are also very good. to understand the now you would need to travel to the past.

@mihau do you mean this? https://empowergurus.com/universal-metamodel/ nice but not right - the will to put something dynamic into a static form is also often quite blue and usually only works out correctly at a higher up level.

@mihau that’s something i worked out for myself - i don’t think it’s wise to do this from a blue state of being. it’s like everything else just some theory if you don’t learn it by heart. do chakra work and you might find out yourself. that’s the way to go. but i can have a look and discuss about that theory.

@fridjonk that’s in a sense a static picture of it. but onthogenesis is not exactly phylogenesis although in a sense it is. there is a big difference between the concept of transcending and what transcending really is. toxic blue always tries to suppress the lower stages and even in healthy has a tendency to fall back into red to maintain mind over matter.

what if you‘ve always searched for the wrong acceptance? what if she would?

@Prevailer whatever, your formula might be - did you already have a look into spiral dynamics? integration is always of some kind of help if you got stuck.

@Prevailer well yes christian sinner, what should i tell you - your god is not my god but there is only one and it’s the same for everyone because there is nothing above god and no god aside of god.

@Prevailer huh, you did what with your head? i would also try to get out there as fast as possible - it’s not good to get stuck in there.

@Prevailer all i hear is him that’s already where it’s showing that you only talk about yourself. although you make the rules, tell me you don’t - you have not really seen through your own devilry yet to tell me anything about what is and what is not devil or divine. you split yourself from what is god to make yourself superior to it. contemplate that.

@Martin123 no - how long have you been here? i thought you knew that after a certain amount of locked out people you lock yourself out. it’s not a bug but a feature