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@Mu_ @Shiva I did make a move on the Shiva's comment, which was a move on the poster's comment (imo but debatable depending on a person's perspective).. What she did isn't responsible for what I did, I made the choice to question her comment. I own my decision to engage. Side note... I am regularly amazed at the degree of confrontation within communication that is directly linked to lack of understanding towards the other party's position. This is a case in point.. Not that there isn't still static within conversation but the inability to clearly see what one another is getting at creates an impasse where tension builds. Wild... I could have done much better to build a base for conversation, if there is a party at fault it would be me. Peace..

@Serotoninluv Yay!

@fridjonk BIG love to you! Like loaded ladles lifting laughs limitlessly Long Live Love

@Mu_ Banging hommie... Nice write up.. Loved it.. You are welcome to build off it. Enjoy. In response to your paragraph I would say something like this... Are we conditioned to find a point in time, to establish a definition, what is the singular answer, what is the definition that is clear and precise without variability or dimension? It must be this or that? What if it isn't about anyone of them in your write up? What if it is about all of them simultaneously operating, separate but as one? Interwoven and fully functional in some way that allows them to be separate and one depending on where you are perceiving from? Ultimately consciousness is cycling through the states and stages.. At once there is absolute unity and division and everything in between. It is the Great Nest. Is it possible we have been conditioned to seek finality and answers that are exclusive not inclusive. Does that make sense?

@Serotoninluv Thanks for being more direct in your offering, applying it to me more specifically. I hold the same values as you do as well. If you were here we could be with one another. I sit often and enjoying sharing that meditative space when the occasion arises. My psychedelic experiences are plentiful and without question one of strongest proponents of my perception. Again, I am with you, excellent advise. When it comes to a forum I will probably continue to use words as a form of interaction with others. I, personally, marvel at a person attempt and skill at bringing non-verbal non-intellectual understanding into the realm of communication. How will they attempt the impossible? I will probably continue to do this but noted... Maybe my experience outside of the intellect is limited and I need to be more open to that reality. Blessings..

@Mu_ @Shiva Thanks for taking the time to respond. Always welcome. I just lost my write up looking for Shiva's link hit SerotoninLuv's page... See if I can summarize once again.. Truth on both side here, undoubtedly. I will admit at the end there I said "It is a weak form of discourse but we all offer what we have.." Not necessary.. My apologies.. I do tend to see lots of currents flowing through things.. my apologies for that, what is common for me is hypersenstive to others.. no better or worse just what it is.. that is on me for not doing a better job building a base for communication.. I am new to the forum and have been getting a feel for it, how and if I wish to proceed. The illusive paradoxical quips when presented a particular way do stimulate a reaction, that I am responsible for. I have been reading what appears to be a new seekers expressing questions that are easy targets for paradoxical quips. My connection is in the feeling of being an new seeker where reality is being ripped down, nothing makes sense, maybe suicidal, maybe in a home of physical or drug abuse, parents who aren't emotinally avaiable, don't fit in at school... The road to the path isn't typically pleasant for many people. This person finds there way to the forum and asks a question that is rocking them to the core, some new concept, it is a big deal to them. And what they get back is a snarky "mmmmhhhhhh what is knowing? how do you know you can know" (I don't have the exact quote) Not as much the paradoxical quip as how it is shared.. Maybe something like "hey have you heard this concept yet, what is knowing and how can you know" "it is a pardox, crazy right, have you heard of that?" "We can start from there" humble, kind, supportive... From there is just noticed the word "knowledge or knowing" in the signature text which is another story.. I am sensitive about a young seeker, fragile and opening up.. It like taking a young child to the edge of a giant cliff, they have never seen such heights, they are shaking, trembling, they have no idea what all these intense feeling are and the educated person tosses them over the edge while saying.. don't ever jump off the cliff... That was pretty obvious.. And if it wasn't we could have had a heart to heart.. This might not be the forum for me, that is another possibility. That is what I am feeling into at the moment. Thanks for sharing...

@Serotoninluv I don't see a need to express my own person at this point but.... I will listen to any elaborations you would feel comfortable sharing. I appreciate the story about your experience and the universal truths that lie within. I am totally open to you taking that awareness / knowledge and then applying it to this situation or what you see, go ahead and outline a story line that brings the two together. Strongman what i hear you saying about your experience. Your insight is we can be locked within our perceptions of reality that we believe to be absolute. If we don't loosen our grip on what we believe to be absolute then we prevent ourselves from being able to learn something new. You also touch on the stereotypical division between the material reductionist mentality of the scientific method and/or the community behind it and the more metaphysically inclined interpretations of the esoteric wisdom schools. Is that in the ballpark? How would you then take this an apply it to what you see happening in my dialogue? Thanks.

@Raptorsin7 Thanks for posting this topic BTW... Beautiful opportunity to share a personal connection to the platform. Mahalo..

@Raptorsin7 Why am I floating through this forum? Newer forum member, been watching for a while. Curious about what is on people's hearts, minds, & spirits? What kind of nuggets are people leaving around? How is Leo attempting to herd cats as they say? How are people integrating and expressing the material? I have been incredibly impressed, for example: 1) (total projection, forgive me in advance) I would assume Leo was touched, moved, activated through something that pushed him to start to dig into the material that builds someone of his caliber. The dedication to absorb, going through daily life and working with the material, refining it, witnessing it, feeling it, intuiting, getting crushed, being elevated to heights, dropped again, shattering into a million pieces, putting them back together, being someone, losing someone, read, listen, discuss, fuck up, cause pain, receive pain, rejection, forgive, silence... try this, try that, incorporate, dismiss, refine... over and over and over... pierce duality.... I project this journey on to my sense of Leo as a person.. Not that it is accurate.. More that when I hear the words being delivered they aren't simply being read, they are being felt, they are known.... something hard fought and won.. fought and won through a combination of surrender and assertion.. flexible strength, complex simplicity or simple complexity, This in and of itself is amazing to my person... Then 2) Leo's ability to craft language and imagery to fit experiences and ideas, of which some are being pulled into a space that they do not originate.. Art.. 3) Taking these skills and building a platform.. The dedication to creating content.. Researching / Crafting content finding language Understanding video production (audio, cameras, software, lighting, editing) How Youtube functions, the social platforms Managing a team 4) Operating a forum around a subject matter that is incredibly sensitive in many ways 5) Doing this outside the typical streams that offer financial investment 6) To be succeeding, watching numbers grow... Off top of my head that is what pops up... I think if I was forced to pick one of the many accomplishments from my limited perspective it would be his personal relationship with duality and the non-dual state and the light he shines on the topic for others. The ability to arrive at a place that is monumental in consciousness transformation is held within this nugget, new culture, new society, new opportunity... (this is obviously spoken from where ever I may be in my own sense of reality and that might be totally delusional, so please, you have to consider that).. delusion or no delusion I believe there is vast goodness here..

@Arcangelo OMG... cosmic comedy.. I'm a fan... radical honesty.. radical transparency... Much love.. thanks for the laugh... you may not have the money or friends you want... but count me as a fan.. a friend..

I will bow out of this conversation.. You are saying that you are discussing narrative control and that my response is "Its ok... We have more in common than you wish to admit my friend." . You totally ignored the previous comments about narrative. Asking for someone to elaborate on thoughts, elaborate so I have an idea of what they are seeing is not narrative control, it is a desire to understand. "you are wrong" doesn't say anything. And you are saying if I ask for something beyond this that I am attempting to control the narrative? If I am not mistaking, I feel silly saying this, you are claiming that if I ask for anything of substance, some insight, that I am controlling the narrative. I have no were to go with this. And I can't learn from "you are wrong". You seem to not care for my person, my expression. I am ok with that, I respect that. Much love, and thank you for being you, it is a good thing. Discussion on narrative..

Ok... then you can reference those parts of my contribution in the conversation. You just picked out one piece and acted like that was it.

I appreciate this sharing, it has a soft spot in my heart. My first memory is an "energy exchange" emotion transmission among the people present. It set the tone for my life. I am intuitive and a feeler, intensely so.. I feel and see things and then I craft language to encapsulate them. I have long held that emotion proceeds thought, psych development to me. Being able to wrap my feelings in words.. to be poetic... has been a source for people to attack me as well. They say, you can speak in detail therefore you don't feel. Makes me sad but we all know what we know.. I have been beaten down by many.. something tough about being intuitive and highly sensitive.. exposed to people intentions, feelings, and thoughts.... like a club or a fist they come at you... I have tried to express the idea that violence is violence regardless of where it comes from... (seem you might think I don't relate to my own slice of the pie, my contribution, well I am aware so aware that I get to pay twice..) Congrats and my empathy on the journey..

@Serotoninluv I enjoy Proverbs 27:17 “Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another” Thanks for being there for me!

@Serotoninluv Its ok... We have more in common than you wish to admit my friend. Is the "whoosh" me nailing that 3 for the win.. or Is it the sound "whoosh" of what I said flying over your head or is it the sound "whoosh" of the internal fire you seem to light upon seeing my presence.. no... It is probably you, once again saying... "you don't get it" Pretty sure I have littered that breadcrumb trail through my posts.. IDK.. I don't know.. I don't get it..

@Serotoninluv Thanks for communicating again.. you went silent and didn't complete our prior conversation. If you want to be openly truthful and honest across the board for all participants in the forum you are going to find dynamics abound. This isn't a secret. If we were to review your posts we will find "dynamics" as well. If and when you pull out the totality of my posts and review them, they will paint a picture, one that is weighted towards support and positivity and yes there will be a few moments where I engage with people that isn't all rainbows and unicorns... but.. when you look at the name calling, the swearing, the vulgar responses of some (which I personally understand from particular perspective), the passive aggressive etc.... I tend to stay away from swearing at people and using vulgar language. It is part of the process and we all are in the mix.. We are doing what we can with what we have. It seem you offer plenty of responses that are counter to what is being expressed, does that mean you are a common denominator, yes it does. I support you in your attempt to convey and work with what you have. I find it hard that you don't understand why I would rather have detail than "your wrong" , "your assuming", "you don't get it" sorry but those aren't helpful. What is helpful is insight. Sad as such a prominent figure you don't understand that. You have definitely demonstrated particular energy towards me.. and it is interesting that you find it to be acceptable in an unspoken defensible position but who I am isn't... Blessings..

@Consilience Enjoyed That! Thanks for sharing.. Felt good...

@Mu_ This could be a good exercise for me.. I will try to strongman Shiva's point.. "mmhhh... what qualifies as "knowing" and how do you know for sure that you know something?" In response to: paraphrase Is it better to know or not know... I would say that what Shiva is saying is, how can you really know that you actually know anything? How do you confirm that you are established in base reality? If you can't confirm that you are rooted and perceiving base or fundamental reality with a truthful clarity can you actually say that you know something? If you sense of reality is skewed and formatted within an illusion that acts as a barrier between you and reality what is it that you think you know? From that place can you even define knowing or what it would be? What is knowing? I am totally on board with what is being expressed. Before I continue would you say that I have a predominately clear interpretation of what is being expressed? Shared within my own words of course but attempting to connect..

@Mu_ I welcome insights for sure. I am a work in progress. One thing that helps is when people dig in and break things down, like explain what they see. "you made stuff up" doesn't give me much to go on. If you say something like shiva's comment on how do you know you knowing because what determines know... correlates with this line of thinking and attaches to this and his signature text about knowing doesn't relate to the knowing being spoken of because.... That would give me something to consider but to be honest, you made stuff up or assumed doesn't... Safe space, open discussion..

@OmniYoga hey hommie... I am totally biased but see if you can find a Vipassana session nearby: https://www.dhamma.org/en-US/index You could make a post if you wanna poll people but... IMO this is one of the best... Doesn't mean they are perfect just a really solid organization with one of my favorite approaches to learning a method of meditation..

@LordFall haha... my reply is part humor.. What "I" now know as "I" is no longer singular in form. "I" is compromised of many perspectives, like many people.. I morph and shift... sure I may have anchors or gravitational points that ground me but I have lost myself in order to find myself.. I am still in the process but conforming my person to a singular point isn't that effective anymore. Nothing special, totally basic...

@OmniYoga Soo.. If you read..Lento post.. speaks of seeing love by understanding fear. This is a reflection on the dark becoming the light and the light residing within the dark. It is the merging.. I called this a salve for the soul. one of our major plights in the form we currently reside is the duality paradigm and our strong belief within the "illusion" that is used to construct the framework of our participation. its real in a sense of but an illusion in a grander sense... so this invitation to understand fear to know love is a salve for the soul.... We walk up to it.. our shadow can often be known as our fear... we aproach with open heart, head up (no shame, no disrespect, honor, respect) we are scared with a tremble in the bones.. this powerful "dark" entity, a tear in the eye of one so frightened but being brave... Letting go happens not by letting go.. You will see people say let go of this, let go of that... let go of thought... as if letting go meant release phsyically. We let go by becoming, by knowing.. if you want to let go you need to become it, welcome it, focus on it... and then it will be absolved, you will be absolved.. unified once again... So the "thoughts" and feeling and notions that we don't understand that we fear that we judge or consider outside ourself reside in the shadow, they dance around us all the time.. they do it with grace, a beauty, there is an allure, a seduction.. and yet it haunts us,, these thoughts they taunt us... and most will try to let them go, banish them.. get rid of them as if you could let go of your shadow. get rid of your shadow.. this is an earlier development seeker thing.. all part of the process... no judgment.. we must merge with the shadow.. "or is that my own faceless distorted perspective" referencing the shadow.. a moment when we go from seeing the shadow as something outside ourself as something foreign and faceless... we shift and say whoa.. "is that my own faceless distorted perspective" following me around.. my confusion, my ignorance, my source of separation and division.. "what is it that this figure is attempting to convey, it never leaves it seems to love me so".. The recognition of connection of self within the shadow, it wishes to speak to me tell me of those aspects of myself I do not know... It never leaves me it seems to love me so.. It is an aspect of ourself that does love us and wishes to be accepted once again. we are filled with disgust, hatred, violence, judgment of so many things in an attempt to live on one side of the dual paradigm. What we call "positive" and it is an illusion when we move beyond the ego.. We cast the shadow aspect of ourself to the dark to the "negative" which again is an illusion from beyond the ego... It loves us and is trying to unite.. thus again we must confront it.. open heart open mind.. etc etc etc... "Maybe today is the day I will sit faceless and give form to my mysterious friend." This is us making the approach, the humbling moment when we decide to remove our judgments, our face, we sit faceless and for the first time begin to give form to our mysterious friend our shadow. We begin see the deeper aspect and it is here that duality begins to be transcended. when we start to become whole once again.. *this was a quick blast it out writing so I apologize for any muddled words or expressions.. I hope this helps..

@OmniYoga Sorry my friend. I tend to write in different styles depending on what I have read and who I am responding too... Isn't a guarantee but I hope it works... You have me evaluating, (thinking) about if i should consider a wider audience in my responses or keep them targeted at the person I am directly conversing with... hmm.... If there is ever something specifically you would like me to express in a new light let me know. If so, please detail it out with a degree of specificity, what it is you are wondering or questioning from the post i am responding too or an aspect of what I wrote; to make things easier. and efficient. Oh, and keep on thinking my friend and at other times practice letting go.. but definitely keep contemplating and thinking it tends to lead to grand discoveries, especially when the think/meditate combo can be put in place.. I know this vegetable that never thinks, it only breathes and eats... It is so enlightened.. why, cause it doesn't think obviously...

@Lento Salve for the soul, thanks... An invitation to walk, head up & heart open, tear in the eye and slight tremble in the bones..... This shadow that dances around me with a grace that haunts and taunts me, or is that my own faceless distorted perspective. What is it that this figure is attempting to convey, it never leaves it seems to love me so. Maybe today is the day I will sit faceless and give form to my mysterious friend.

@lmfao Yummy.. That was tasty.. Thanks so much for that... They do block don't they. Instead of attempting to creatively craft sentiments and explore, a person can just throw on the ole paradoxical quip and be done with it. Slap on quip, there we go another thread shut down, another person denied, score one for my super intelligence that has no real idea what the quip means in the depth of its origin. I perceive the Zen quip thing as a stage too, I went through it. This place where the paradoxes are starting to bewilder the mind and then the ability to demonstrate spiritual intelligence to others by wrapping up, putting to bed, owning a conversation by throwing on a nice think layer of paradoxical sealant. I do chuckle when I see it, awe.. isn't that cute... Seems like some people get stuck in this stage and others continue to grow and find ways to expand conversation with new knowledge, new potential and they aren't as interested in sealing it up as they are in exploring and expanding... Can you feel the intent behind them sometimes? Sometimes a quip coming from a place of compassionate love sits very nicely, maybe garnished with just enough additional insight to direct, satiate satisfactorily. Then there seems to be the ego inflated harsh mockery quips, ones that jab you in the heart and steal the beauty that was being nurtured. I was watching a Krishnamurti video clip yesterday... Back around 1910 and the line that grabbed me... People are seeking comfort, not understanding. Isn't that precisely dealing what we are dealing with here. People who want the comfort of "I know, I see, I have the answer, I feel smart, I feel dominate, I feel in control" They aren't exploring the topic, they are showing humility, they are not seeking understanding... Again, stages... The deeper truth that all is within all leads back to the place that even through the lack of effort made to connect and understand through dialogue by using these Zen like quips... it is still seeking understanding... education through periods of gross ignorance and selfish pride & arrogance. It is all part of the game.. It is all learning.. So tricky to be consciously compassionately critical of the framework through which we educate and congregate with the intention of driving the collective further... Thanks for sharing... Posts like yours have a feeling to me... I am on a cliff looking down over a vast and deep body of water... the water is welcoming me through the words, vision, meaning, & comfort of your expression.. Your expression is the water.. I dive headfirst and become embraced by the waters, welcomed as friend.. I swim through the verbiage, I drink, and I feel part of something I know as myself... Blessings..